What do you girls and guys think about Universality athletes being the same from previous Universality quotas?
I get it that sometimes they get their first quota while up-and-coming and maybe are at their career peak at 2nd or 3rd cycle.
And OBVIOUSLY they deserved their quotas being the best from the countries.
But at the same time I feel like it would be good for the development of the sport in the country if other athletes get it (specially regarding tripartite choices).
Perhaps it could have a 'ladder', like if they have been to an Olympic before (or 2) they have at least to reach an OCT or not have a second swimmer with 90% of their points or something like this.
ExpandIf they have the OQT and there are spots available why would they be entered as relay only to begin with?
I know this was a couple of days ago, but...
Brazil (as other countries) had their selection policy so even athletes with OQT were not selected to their individual events because they haven't done it during trials. So they would be officially selected as "relay only".
But in the end Brazil would have 11 relay only athletes, and one of them had an OQT on 100m freestyle (Marcelo Chierighinni), so he will have an entry to allow for another athlete to compete. Now Eduardo de Deus also got 400m OQT on Sette Colli, so not sure if he will have an entry on that event or be considered relay only.
ExpandA swimmer has an OQT in event A and an OCT in event B.
There isn't anyone with an OQT from that NOC in event B.
Is that swimmer allowed to start in both events?
My answer would be certainly not, but apparently our federation thinks they are.
From what I heard they can ASK for it.
It will be FINA's choice in the end, they have discretionary power to allow or not.
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2024 European Championships - Belgrade (SRB)
June 17th - June 23rd 2024
The following new OQTs were achieved
Men's 50m Freestyle
Piotr Ludwiczak
Shane Ryan
Men's 100m Freestyle
Kristof Milak
Danas Rapsys
Men's 200m Freestyle
Men's 800m Freestyle
Men's 200m Backstroke
David Gerchik
Men's 100m Breaststroke
Men's 200m Breaststroke
Lyubomir Epitropov
Men's 100m Butterfly
Joshua Gammon
Daniel Gracik
Men's 200m Individual Medley
Men's 400m Individual Medley
Apostolos Papastamos
Women's 50m Freestyle
Jana Pavalic
Women's 100m Freestyle
Women's 200m Freestyle
Women's 1500m Freestyle
Women's 100m Breaststroke
Women's 200m Breaststroke
Women's 100m Butterfly
Roos Vanotterdijk
Women's 200m Individual Medley
Thanks!!! Any chance Joshua Gammon will be selected?
And for the Israelis, they will make the cut, right?
ExpandI know I've beaten this into the ground on this forum but 53.61 in the 100 free is such a joke qualification time.
We are actually going to get something like 12 qualifiers in this event.
At the very least, World Aquatics should have kept the B standard at 3% of the OQT instead of reducing it to 0.05% of the OQT so that athletes with an A standard in another event could've possibly entered.
So far, Paris 2024 has 150 more men than women qualified. Without equestrian entry lists, this may grow or reduce...
One way out would be to invite more female swimmers with OCT. that would be great!
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US Olympic Trials: Day 7
Finals:
Men's 50m Freestyle (OQT: 21.96)
1. Caeleb Dressel - 21.41 Q
2. Chris Guiliano - 21.69 Q
3. Matt King - 21.70
4. Jack Alexy - 21.76
5. Michael Andrew - 21.81
6. Ryan Held - 21.85
7. Quintin McCarty - 21.97
8. Adam Chaney - 22.08
Dressel is back! Alexy 4th
Women's 200m Backstroke (OQT: 2:10.39)
1. Regan Smith - 2:05.16 Q
2. Phoebe Bacon - 2:06.27 Q
3. Claire Curzan - 2:06.34
4. Kennedy Noble - 2:07.52
5. Rhyan White - 2:07.64
6. Katie Grimes - 2:07.72
7. Isabelle Stadden - 2:08.77
8. Teagan O'Dell - 2:0.21
Once again, Smith slower than expected. She was noticeably more than a second slower on the last 50m compared to her other splits. Should be a fun showdown in a month between her and McKeown. Curzan finishes 3rd
. She was in second at the 150m but was passed by Bacon who beat her out by 0.07 seconds. Gutsy swim by Bacon to take the 2nd spot when many didn't predict her to qualify.
Men's 200m Individual Medley (OQT: 1:57.94)
1. Carson Foster - 1:55.65 Q
2. Shaine Casas - 1:55.83 Q
3. Kieran Smith - 1:56.97
4. Chase Kalisz - 1:57.17
5. Owen McDonald - 1:57.51
6. Arsenio Bustos - 1:58.26
7. Grant House - 1:58.35
8. Will Modglin - 1:58.44
Shaine Casas has developed a reputation of not being able to swim in the highest pressure meets but that didn't happen tonight. He delivered the swim of his life here to qualify for his 1st Olympic Team. Really happy for the guy. He had a great celebration after the race and was visibly emotional. For Foster, this marks a new PB for him. With Foster doubling up, Ryan Held was also officially qualified for the Olympic Team after his 5th place finish in the 100m freestyle. His time in that event is at a higher percentage above the OQT than Curry in the 200m freestyle.
Semi-finals:
Advancing to Men's 100m Butterfly Final:
1. Caeleb Dressel - 50.79
2. Dare Rose - 51.11
3. Zach Harting - 51.16
4. Ryan Murphy - 51.43
5. Aiden Hayes - 51.50
6. Luke Miller - 51.53
7. Thomas Heilman - 51.58
8. Kaii Winkler - 51.64
Dressel and Rose look solid. Heilman a bit slower than expected.
Advancing to Women's 200m Individual Medley Final:
1. Kate Douglass - 2:08.53
2. Alex Walsh - 2:08.74
3. Beata Nelson - 2:10.83
4. Leah Hayes - 2:10.93
5. Zoe Dixon - 2:11.64
6. Lucy Bell - 2:12.23
7. Isabel Ivey - 2:12.26
8. Lilla Bognar - 2:12.33
Torri Huske finished 3rd in 2:09.74 but scratched the final to focus on the 50m freestyle. Would be shocking if it wasn't a Douglass and Walsh 1-2.
Qualifiers after Day 7 (44 athletes: 25 men + 19 women):
Priority 1: 1st place finishers (16 swimmers)
- Kate Douglass - W 100m Freestyle, 200m Breaststroke, 4x100m Freestyle Relay, 4x100m Medley Relay
- Caeleb Dressel - M 50m Freestyle, 4x100m Freestyle Relay
- Matt Fallon - M 200m Breaststroke
- Nic Fink - M 100m Breaststroke, M 4x100m Medley Relay
- Bobby Finke - M 800m Freestyle
- Carson Foster - M 200m Individual Medley, 400m Individual Medley
- Katie Grimes - W 1500m Freestyle, 400m Individual Medley
- Chris Guiliano - M 50m Freestyle, 100m Freestyle, 200m Freestyle, 4x100m Freestyle Relay, 4x200m Freestyle Relay, 4x100m Medley Relay
- Thomas Heilman - M 200m Butterfly
- Luke Hobson - M 200m Freestyle, 4x200m Freestyle Relay
- Lilly King - W 100m Breaststroke, 200m Breaststroke, 4x100m Medley Relay
- Katie Ledecky - W 200m Freestyle, 400m Freestyle, 1500m Freestyle, 4x200m Freestyle Relay
- Ryan Murphy - M 100m Backstroke, 200m Backstroke, 4x100m Medley Relay
- Aaron Shackell - M 400m Freestyle
- Regan Smith - W 100m Backstroke, 200m Backstroke, 200m Butterfly, 4x100m Medley Relay
- Gretchen Walsh - W 100m Butterfly, 4x100m Freestyle Relay, 4x100m Medley Relay
Priority 2: Top 4 in 100m Freestyle and 200m Freestyle (9 swimmers)
- Jack Alexy - M 100m Freestyle, 4x100m Freestyle Relay, 4x100m Medley Relay
- Hunter Armstrong - M 100m Backstroke, 4x100m Freestyle Relay, 4x100m Medley Relay
- Erin Gemmell - W 4x200m Freestyle Relay
- Torri Huske - W 100m Freestyle, 100m Butterfly, 4x100m Freestyle Relay, 4x100m Medley Relay
- Drew Kibler - M 4x200m Freestyle Relay
- Paige Madden - W 400m Freestyle, 4x200m Freestyle Relay
- Simone Manuel - W 4x100m Freestyle Relay
- Kieran Smith - M 400m Freestyle, 4x200m Freestyle Relay
- Claire Weinstein - W 200m Freestyle, 4x200m Freestyle Relay
Priority 3: Other 2nd place finishers (12 swimmers)
- Phoebe Bacon - W 200m Backstroke
- Katharine Berkoff - W 100m Backstroke, 4x100m Medley Relay
- Shaine Casas - M 200m Individual Medley
- Keaton Jones - M 200m Backstroke
- Chase Kalisz - M 400m Individual Medley
- Josh Matheny - M 200m Breaststroke
- Alex Shackell - W 200m Butterfly, 4x200m Freestyle Relay
- Charlie Swanson - M 100m Breaststroke, M 4x100m Medley Relay
- Luca Urlando - M 200m Butterfly
- Emma Weber - W 100m Breaststroke, 4x100m Medley Relay
- Emma Weyant - W 400m Individual Medley
- Luke Whitlock - M 800m Freestyle
Priority 4: 5th place finishers in 100m Freestyle and 200m Freestyle (4 swimmers)
*Curry not guaranteed selection - Need 8 doubles
- Brooks Curry - M 4x200m Freestyle Relay
- Ryan Held - M 4x100m Freestyle Relay
- Anna Peplowski - W 4x200m Freestyle Relay
- Abbey Weitzeil - W 4x100m Freestyle Relay
Priority 5: 6th place finishers in 100m Freestyle and 200m Freestyle (3 swimmers)
*Men not guaranteed selection - Need 10 doubles
- Erika Connolly - W 4x100m Freestyle Relay
- Matt King - M 4x100m Freestyle Relay
- Blake Pieroni - M 4x200m Freestyle Relay
Doubles count:
Men: 7
Women: 11
IS there any chance that US will take more women (who finished 7th for instance at the relays) now that they have the space?
And if my count is correct, only 10 relay only athletes so far.
Just saw that those athletes swam under the OQT today (in bold, athletes earning their 1st quota for Paris)
1500m Freestyle
David AUBRY
Damien JOLY
200m medley
Charlotte BONNET
100m fly
Maxime GROUSSET
Clément SECCHI
50m Freestyle W
Beryl GASTALDELLO
Melanie HENRIQUE
200m Medley M
Leon MArchand
So I guess those 3 above will be relay only
Oceane CARNEZ
Lison NOWACZYK
Lilou RESSENCOURT
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Oceane CARNEZ
Mélanie HENIQUE
Damien JOLY
Lison NOWACZYK
Lilou RESSENCOURT
Clément SECCHI
Which events will those compete, do you know?
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Not, OQT is mandatory during the championship (and also a top 2 finish)
She can have an entry on the individual event to free a relay-only spot if needed. BRazil did / will do this withMarcelo Chierighini on 100m free M
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OLYMPIC TRIAL FRANCE - DAY 01 -
(5 Quotas - 3 Individual + 2 Relays)
400 M Freestyle Women's
Anastasiia Kirpichnikova 4.06.87
100 M Breakstroke Women's
Charlotte Bonnet (4 X 100 M 4 Medley Relay)
100 M Butterfly Women's
Marie Wattel 57.49
400 M Freestyle Men's
David Aubry 3.46.46
100 M Breakstroke Men's
Antoine Viquerat (4 X 100 M 4 Medley Relay)
Will FRance take only those who win quota on the OT or will they make sure they have a full time when possible?
ExpandChina’s presence will overshadow these games entirely. UK and USA swimmers will protest on every Interview and on the podium. The IOC better be ready for every single view at home knowing China are industrial drug cheats and they have done nothing to ban then.
I hope they do and then they get DSQ 
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April 25th - April 28th 2024
The following new OQTs were achieved
Women's 100m Backstroke
The following 9 swimmers have achieved an OQT in the qualification period so far
Men (4):
Krzysztof Chmielewski - 200m Butterfly
Michal Chmielewski - 200m Butterfly
Jakub Majerski - 100m Butterfly
Ksawery Masiuk - 100m Backstroke, 200m Backstroke
Women (5):
Laura Bernat - 200m Backstroke
Kornelia Fiedkiewicz - 50m Freestyle
Adela Piskorska - 100m Backstroke, 200m Backstroke
Dominika Sztandera - 100m Breaststroke
Kasia Wasick - 50m Freestyle
Has Kasia Wasick managed to get an OQT during the window stablished by the Polish Federation?
ExpandChinese Olympic trials begins tomorrow. The rules is to choose the any best result of 3 events to compare:
1: 2023 WCH individual event finals and meeting OG standard A
2: 2024 WCH individual event finals and meeting OG standard A
3: 2024 trials individual event finals and meeting OG standard A
So based on the past 2023 and 2024 WCH, following swimmers already have eligible results and green parts are almost safe enough to guarantee the tickets before the trials. For relay swimmers, mainly considering trials results.
Hey, by any chance have you done an update after the Chinese Nationals, plese?
ExpandAQUA recently changed that rule. So now an athlete no longer needs to have competed at Worlds to be eligible.
great to know that rules are meant to be broken
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** In addition, Casper Puggaard also achieved an OCT and may be nominated for a universality quota.
I'm pretty sure Casper Puggaard is not elegible for the Universality quota as he was not on the Danish rooster for the 23 or 24 WC. Only Liggjas JOENSEN participated (representing Faroe Islands).
From the OQD I would assume they would select the Universality before the OCT, but one never knows.
ExpandThey could easily say "we're done" but it would be a bit odd I guess. I still believe they will take both relays, or at least ask them to do a tryout. If they decide to take 30, those are my bet for the 7 extra, kind-of-on-order
I think there are 4 safer bets because either they won their races, or they would form relays
- Kieran Bird - M 400m Freestyle (OQT), not only he has an OQT and won the event, he could be a relay option, with his 6th on 4x200m Freestyle
- Angharad Evans W 100m Breaststroke (OQT), not only she won but she could form the 4x100m medley
- Eva Okaro - W 4x100m Freestyle (2nd- relay not qualified)
- Freya Anderson - W 4x100m Freestyle (3rd- relay not qualified) she could easily compete at W 100m Freestyle, W 200m Freestyle and she was injured
Then I guess they could take these 3 to be options for relays, and 2 of them are big names
- James Wilby - M 100m Breaststroke (he could even participate in the individual with his OQT and would be a back-up for 4x100m medley)
- Jacob Whittle - M 4x100m 5th Swimmer?
- Jack McMillan - M 400m Freestyle (OQT), and he also would be a great option to swim in the heats for 4x200m Freestyle
Just being a bit of douchebag and saying I got it right here 
ExpandWould be interesting to have a ranking of nations with the most athletes under the A standard. I was quite surprised to see that Japan has clearly more athletes under the A standard than GB.
I used to have a list, but many athletes are doubled as they have many A standards. Next time I update it will try to bring it here.
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Now the only thing France still needs to decide is the venue
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Priority 1: 1st place finishers with nomination time (guaranteed selection) (13 swimmers)
- Freya Colbert - W 200m Freestyle, W 4x200m Freestyle Relay, W 400m Individual Medley, W 200m Individual Medley
- Kathleen Dawson - W 100m Backstroke
- Keanna MacInnes - W 200m Butterfly, W 4x100m Medley Relay
- Anna Hopkin - W 50m Freestyle
- Ollie Morgan - M 100m Backstroke
- Adam Peaty - M 100m Breaststroke
- Daniel Jervis - M 1500m Freestyle
- Max Litchfield - M 400m Individual Medley
- Matt Richards - M 100m Freestyle, M 4x100m Freestyle Relay, M 50m Freestyle
- Honey Osrin - W 200m Backstroke
- Duncan Scott - M 100m Freestyle, M 4x100m Freestyle Relay, M 200m Individual Medley
- Ben Proud - M 50m Freestyle
- Abbie Wood - W 200m Freestyle , W 4x200m Freestyle Relay, W 200m Individual Medley
Priority 2: Relay swimmers (guaranteed selection) (5 swimmers)
- Medi Harris - W 4x200m Freestyle Relay
- Lucy Hope - W 4x200m Freestyle Relay
- Tom Dean - M 4x100m Freestyle Relay, M 200m Individual Medley
- Alexander Cohoon - M 4x100m Freestyle Relay
- Joe Litchfield - M 4x100m Medley Relay
Priority 5: 2nd place finishers with nomination time (3 swimmers)
- Jonny Marshall - M 100m Backstroke
- Laura Stephens - W 200m Butterfly
- Katie Shanahan - W 400m Individual Medley, W 200m Backstroke
Candidates for Priority 4 - Discretionary Picks
- Freya Anderson - W 100m Freestyle, W 200m Freestyle (injured)
- Kieran Bird - M 400m Freestyle (OQT)
- Amelie Blocksidge - W 1500m Freestyle (OCT)
- Lauren Cox - W 100m Backstroke (NT at World Championships)
- Kara Hanlon - W 200m Breaststroke (OCT)
- James Wilby - M 100m Breaststroke (OQT)
- Jacob Whittle - M 4x200m Freestyle
In addition to those athletes Tobias Robinson, who has already qualified in open water, will compete in the men’s 800m/1500m freestyle events despite not having matched the BST as it won’t impact the 30 swimmer cap.
Only James Guy booked a ticket tonight, so we have 19 guaranteed athletes.
Luke Greenbank is also now on priority 5 with his 200m Backstroke. Let's say those 4 will be included and we would have a team of 23 (except Tobias Robinson).
They could easily say "we're done" but it would be a bit odd I guess. I still believe they will take both relays, or at least ask them to do a tryout. If they decide to take 30, those are my bet for the 7 extra, kind-of-on-order
I think there are 4 safer bets because either they won their races, or they would form relays
- Kieran Bird - M 400m Freestyle (OQT), not only he has an OQT and won the event, he could be a relay option, with his 6th on 4x200m Freestyle
- Angharad Evans W 100m Breaststroke (OQT), not only she won but she could form the 4x100m medley
- Eva Okaro - W 4x100m Freestyle (2nd- relay not qualified)
- Freya Anderson - W 4x100m Freestyle (3rd- relay not qualified) she could easily compete at W 100m Freestyle, W 200m Freestyle and she was injured
Then I guess they could take these 3 to be options for relays, and 2 of them are big names
- James Wilby - M 100m Breaststroke (he could even participate in the individual with his OQT and would be a back-up for 4x100m medley)
- Jacob Whittle - M 4x100m 5th Swimmer?
- Jack McMillan - M 400m Freestyle (OQT), and he also would be a great option to swim in the heats for 4x200m Freestyle
Edited by Pasolini
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2024 Swiss National Championships - Uster (SUI)
April 4th - April 7th 2024
Men (4):
Thierry Bollin - 100m Backstroke
Antonio Djakovic - 400m Freestyle
Roman Mityukov - 100m Backstroke, 200m Backstroke
Noe Ponti - 100m Butterfly, 200m Butterfly
*Swiss athletes will have one more chance to qualify at the Euro Championships
Do you think is there any chance they will forfait their medley or freestyle quota?
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2024 KB Financial Group Korea Swimming Championships 2024 - Gimcheon (KOR)
March 22nd - March 27th 2024
The following new OQTs were achieved
Men's 1500m Freestyle
Men's 200m Breaststroke
Men's 200m Butterfly
Men (7):
Cho Sungjae - 200m Breaststroke
Choi Dongyeol - 100m Breaststroke, 4x100m Medley Relay
Hwang Sunwoo - 100m Freestyle, 200m Freestyle, 4x200m Freestyle Relay, 4x100m Medley Relay
Ji Yuchan - 50m Freestyle
Kim Minseop - 200m Butterfly
Kim Woomin - 200m Freestyle, 400m Freestyle, 1500m Freestyle, 4x200m Freestyle Relay
Lee Hojoon - 4x200m Freestyle Relay
Lee Juho - 100m Backstroke, 200m Backstroke
Women (2):
Kim Seoyeong - 200m IM (*100m Butterfly OCT)
Lee Eunji - 200m Backstroke (*100m Backstroke OCT)
*Final relay spots will be confirmed at a later date
Swimswam released a list with 9 men and 3 women. Besided the 10 listed above (albeit the number 9 on the title lol) it includes Kim Jihoon (M) and Hur Yeonkyng (W for the mixed relay)
Not really sure why they would not take a 4th to the 4x200m freestyle (KIM Younghyeon). Who would be the 4th?
Edited by Pasolini
will not use their quota(s)
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World Aquatics seems to imply the opposite in their website so it almost seems like they can compete in more than 2 Olympics if they are under the age of 30.
In the official document the wording is more clear but not enough
I think it is something similar to the tennis rule that have different rules to younger/older than 30:
In this case... I think the rule only applies if the athlete is younger than 30.
if the athlete is over 30 he/she can go.
But if he/she is younger, can not go to a third Olympic.
I guess the idea behind is: if the athlete is older, it gets an "extra" Olympic to go to.
Not sure if it's the best or if it's what the document says. what do you think @JoshMartini007 @OlympicIRL @Josh?
Not sure if this would be thread or the Swimming 2024, but... I was curious and took the 2 best times from american swimmers between march 2023-24 to check what would be the US swimming "selection".
It would have 20 male athletes, 18 female athletes, plus 3 men and 2 women to fill the top6 in 4x100m and 4x200m. The 12th relay only quota would go (in my mind obviously) to Simone Manuel, 7th from 4x100m.
Do you think the official selection will be very different from this one? Can Dressel comeback in time?
MEN (20+ 6 relay only)
Bobby Finke - 800m freestyle, 1500m freestyle
Carson Foster - 200m butterfly, 200m medley, 400m medley, 4x200m freestyle (3rd)
Charlie Clark - 1500m freestyle
Chase Kalisz - 400m medley
Dare Rose - 100m butterfly
David Johnston - 400m freestyle
Destin Lasco.- 200m backstroke, 4x100 freestyle (3rd)
Hunter Armstrong - 100m backstroke
Jack Alexy - 50m freestyle, 100m freestyle
Jake Foster - 200m breaststroke
Josh Mateny - 100m breaststroke
Kieran Smith - 200m freestyle, 400m freestyle
Luke Hobson - 200m freestyle
Matt Fallon - 200m breaststroke
Nic Fink - 100m breaststroke
Ross Dant - 800m freestyle
Ryan Held - 50m freestyle, 100m freestyle
Ryan Murphy - 100m backstroke, 200m backstroke
Shaine Casas - 100m butterfly, 200m medley
Thomas Heilman - 200m butterfly
RELAY ONLY
Brooks Curry - 4x200m freestyle (6th)
Chris Giuliano - 4x100 freestyle (5th)
Drew Kibler - 4x200m freestyle (4th)
Jake Mitchell - 4x200m freestyle (5th)
Justin Ress- 4x100 freestyle (6th)
Matt King - 4x100 freestyle (4th)
WOMEN (22) 16+6 relay only
Abbey Weitzeil - 50m freestyle, 100m freestyle
Alex Walsh - 200m medley, 400m medley
Bella Sims - 400 free, 4x200m freestyle (3rd)
Claire Curzan - 200m back
Claire Weinstein - 200m freestyle
Dakota Luther. - 200m butterfly
Gretchen Walsh - 100m butterfly, 4x100m (3rd)
Jillian Cox - 800m free
Kate Douglass - 50m freestyle, 100m freestyle, 200m breast, 200m medley
Katie Grimes - 1500m freestyle, 400m medley
Katie Ledecky - 200m freestyle, 400 free, 800 free, 1500m free
Katherine Berkoff - 100m back
Lilly King - 100m breast, 200m breast
Lydia Jacoby - 100m breast
Regan Smith - 100m back, 200m back, 200m butterfly
Torri Huske - 100m butterfly, 4x100m (4th)
Relay Only:
Alex Schakell - 4x200m freestyle (5th)
Erin Gemmell - 4x200m freestyle (4th)
Leah Smith - 4x200m freestyle (6th)
Maxime Parker - 4x100m freestyle (6th)
Olivia Smoliga - 4x100m freestyle (5th)
Simone Manuel - 4x100m freestyle (7th)
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