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  On 2/2/2024 at 11:05 AM, Josh said:

Sorry my mistake, apparently the France Judo YouTube channel won’t be live streaming the event. As they had streamed prior editions, I had assumed they would be doing the same this year, but apparently not 

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They are streaming, it's just geoblocked.

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  On 9/17/2023 at 2:54 PM, Rafa Maciel said:

Women's +78Kg

1.)  Sara Maric

2.)  Mahboubeh Barbari Zharfi

3.)  Larisa Ceric

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Almost everything is wrong here.  Larisa Cerić won,  Carmen Dijkstra second,  Sara Marić third.

 

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  On 5/15/2023 at 9:19 AM, phelps said:

actually, I have the correct information (I only excluded the first 2 matchups before Keldiyorova's breakthrough).

 

as I worte, Keldiyorova used to be untouchable for Giuffrida until the end of last season, when the Italian found the right coutermeasures to face the Uzbek and finally won against her at the Masters.

 

but still, she didn't lose to Keldiyorova last week, she lost against Pupp, so this is quite different (she always won against the Hungarian before and we're not talking of a young rising star).

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You wrote, and I quote, "and she won the last couple of times they faced each other". "Couple" means 2 or more, "couple" would imply that you have a valid premise for your conclusion, which you do not. Given that the "right coutermeasures" was Keldiyorova's decline in form, I would not rely on that in the future.

Maybe Pupp found "right coutermeasures", she is very experienced and she is definitly not clean highway to Giuffrida. And you make it sound like Pupp lost countless times to Giuffrida, I found 2 (for future reference that is a couple). Back to my original point, Odette Giuffrida did good at this competition, and she deserves to be praised, and not criticized. If you are not Abe Uta, competitors like Pupp and Keldiyorova are not easy wins, and a win over Krasniqi is a big one.

 

  On 5/15/2023 at 9:19 AM, phelps said:

p.s. don't worry for me to be disappointed...I'm used to it...just yesterday it happened multiple times. but I can live with that, it's just "watching some sports on tv", nothing that really matters in actual life. 

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It doesn't matter to me. But it was really tiring to read your complaints for eight days straight. There was a Serbian judoka losing in every day of a competition (9/10 with good cadet/junior careers, all of them with decent results on IJF tour), but apparently I have better grasp on reality, so you don't see me complaining after every single loss.

 

  On 5/15/2023 at 9:25 AM, phelps said:

they already changed the interpretation of the rule.

 

to give an automatic shido, now there must be a true grab of the leg, which was not yesterday's case (Pinot is only helping herself in the move with his arm...and it's just that kind of natural move that follows the momentum of the throw that IJF wanted not to be punished anymore).

 

however, yeah, I think we could go ahead for quite a long time debating on that without agreeing.

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Can you refer us to some official document about the change? I am looking at the current rulebook (March 23, 2023), and I see no room for interpretation.

 

- For all grabbing below the belt, shido will be given.

- Leg grabbing or grabbing the trousers, will be given shido, each time.

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  On 5/14/2023 at 7:43 PM, phelps said:

p.s. in 2019 Lombardo, Parlati and Bellandi were just coming out of the Juniors (where they won the world title the year before).

Scutto is even younger (and we are waiting for Carnà, who's only 17 and already a Junior World Champion, but she's just moved up from 52 to 57kg and she's not ready yet for the big events in the new class).

the past is gone.

as I wrote, now we have a new generation of talent we never had before.

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That is great. But there is a new generation of junior world champions every year and old ones doesn't leave, they are still competing, and they are still good. If you expect the gap between Italy and countries like France, Georgia, Russia to close with one good generation... the future will bring you many disappointments. At this WCh Italy was better then Brazil, Korea, Mongolia, Azerbaijan... That is great result in my book.

 

  On 5/14/2023 at 7:43 PM, phelps said:

I'm not underestimating Keldiyorova, but I think Giuffrida is better than her (and she won the last couple of times they faced each other, after losing the first few direct matchups...sign that she's taken the right countermeasures).

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Well, you don't have the correct information. In 2022 (breakthrough year for Diyora), Keldiyorova has beaten Giuffrida 3 times in a row (all of them GS semifinals), she lost only at the Masters in Jerusalem, she lost first 2 and it is 3-3 at the moment. It's not like my opinions are based on horoscope, I also base them on previous results.

 

As for Bellandi, I don't think I am biased, I don't really have a judoka that I like in that category nor do I have any reason to dislike her. In prediction contest, my guess was Hamada-Bellandi in first 2, I am aware that she is good. Perhaps I didn't pay enough attention to -78 in past year, and she is better than I initially thought, but unless she is some kind of an Abe-like dominant force I see no reason for her fans to be disappointed with bronze.

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  On 5/14/2023 at 12:10 PM, phelps said:

now it's time to take the fruit of all this work.

and when it doesn't happen, it's frustrating.

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But it does happening, Italy doubled last year medal count, which was also a double of 2021, and in 2019. there were no medals. I think that you are overestimating Italian team, which leads to unrealistic expectations.

 

  On 5/14/2023 at 12:10 PM, phelps said:

Giuffrida lost to Pupp, who's not at her level.

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If that level is "not in top 5", I think she is there. I don't know why are you underestimating both her and Keldiyorova, calling them clean highway. I would say that in a past year Keldiyorova performed better then Giuffrida. Giuffrida losing to Pupp gave here slightly easier path to bronze.

 

  On 5/14/2023 at 12:10 PM, phelps said:

the same is for Lombardo...he's a generational talent, the only man capable to beat Hifumi Abe (twice) at 66kg before he couldn't make the weight anymore (and he paid the prize for that in Tokyo) and had to switch at 73kg, where he's quite clearly the strongest man in the class after Shoei Ono's retirement.

as I wrote, he was just unlucky, bur still, he didn't come home with a more than expected (and deserved gold).

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After Ono Shohei retired there is no "clearly strongest man" in 73. I remember Lombardo beat Abe once (Paris GS '19), when was the second time? And he is not the only man capable, but that is beside the point. He is definitively one of the best, which he proved to be in this competition. Same goes for Bellandi. Even if they both are the best of their divisions (I don't agree, but whatever) it is not that big of difference between athletes at the top in most categories. There are very few competitors that will win consistently against anybody, Lombardo and Bellandi ain't one of them, and I don't think they should be criticized for that.

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  On 5/13/2023 at 7:39 PM, phelps said:

for what concerns  Italy, the championship is over (we won't be part of the farcical mixed team event Tomorrow).

 

the final summary is meh! 

 

4 medals is a new record for us, but it could and should have gone better.

 

of our 18 players, the only one who exceeded the expectations is the young Asya Tavano in the women's super-Heavyweights, who earlier Today won against all odds her bout vs the world no.1  Romane Dicko.

unfortunately, she only ended up in 7th place, but still she earned a lot of valuable points in the OQR. Congrats to her.

 

all the other guys, instead, either did the bare minimum (most of the team) or even underperformed (Parlati leading this category, not a surprise...but also Bellandi, Giuffrida -given her extremely favourable draw- and in a certain sense also Lombardo, even if he was more unlucky than anything).

 

finally, still asking myself why "the not young anymore" Mungai is always named in the squad, despite he doesn't win a single match against even the average guys? why always waste a place in the team who could go to a youngster in the need of making some experience at the highest level? (and we have quite a lot of them).

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Sorry, but what are you talking about?

Since I've been following judo, Italy is winning 0-2 medals at the World Championships (more often 0 then 2). What you call "meh" is probably most medals Italy has won in 67 years of the World Championships.

Giuffrida and Bellandi beating Olympic champions is bare minimum? Lombardo going trough two European and one Asian champion is bare minimum? Underperforming?

Your dissatisfaction boggles me.

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HEY! Stop questioning their honesty. In order to boycott the Olympics, they must qualify first.

 

On a serious note, in my opinion Mollaei is much better then Muki at the moment. I wouldn't bet that Muki will reach QF.