[Skater Boy 15]

There are so many factors and much sadness in the women's floor exercise debacle.

 

First, all the ladies are amazing athletes. And awe inspiring.

 

Second, I get the desire to "win" and have a medal.

 

Third, it really seems a lot of issues is really the result of the judging and that is based on human frailty - flesh.

 

Fourth I understand Jordan was not given credit for techinical difficulty which increased her degree of difficulty by .1 and overalll score.  i also understand some say she did not complete the element or should have lost marks for execution.  Then on the other hand was she already docked for the execution issues? I have problems with Chiles losing the bronze on a technicality of when the appeal was filed.  Not law but I want to know really who should get the bronze on ability - that might be a problem as this is a judged sport

 

THen you have Sabrina who really may be the ultimate victim.  The issue may be she has a terrible coach who missed the fact she did NOT step out of bounds and should have not been deducted .1 which would put her in bronze even with a Chiles adjusted score. ow, I go for get technicalities what happened and she should not have been deducted the .1.

 

Finally you have Ana who had the bronze.  Lost the bronze. Had the bronze and then she had the bronze.  

 

Remember with judging there is lots of interpretation.

 

It is nice that everyone has so much support.

 

It would be sad if we lost gymnastics due to scandals like this.  But sometimes the sport can destroy itself.  They have amazing athletes but I find judging brings in a human element deeply flawed.  Gymnastics appears to have tried to market itself almost more like figure skating with bedazzled outfits and exhibitions that ressemble skating's exhibitions. Focussing on the sexappeal of muscles and all.  Let these ladies celebrate bronze and stop the "fighting" protests et al.

 

 

Wait the lady in 8th now has an issue with the judging?

 

My mom would say no medals to anyone but different circumstances.  Still  sometimes good sportsmanship peace andmaye even logic says  3 bronze medals.   Yay to Jordan, Ana and Sabrina.  Judges butts saved I guess.  Move on.

 

 

In this case the medal is already tainted why not give all three the bronze and call it a day.

[Skater Boy 15]

The problem about all these appeals and complaints is that it hurts usually the populariity of the sport as we saw in figure skating.  So in protestingloudly you may bring about your voice being heard but at the cost of the sport.  Skating has be spiralingout of control    How lelgitiate should we take skaittnn gwhen the value of elements change and not even proportionately.  It is crrazy and world records don't make sense.  Like a timed event okay  but judged  it is too hard to figure out what is going on now.  The fourth place gymmnast had a poor coach who missed the boat with catching the foot out off bounds and it wasn'twhich would put her third regardless of Chiles. Ahd Jordans extra element was not done well or fully rotated so should thatt be refflected iiin the execcution score?   No matter what medal Jordan is a champ and one of the top gymnasts in the world.  

[Skater Boy 15]

USA has filed another appeal saying there is new evidence and that their original filing was within one minute..  Yes, ironaicall the fourth place finisher who arguable should havve the bronze as she did not step out of bounds will never get the bronze.  It will be either Ana or Jordan.   Or bothif the IOC goes back and say both can have bronze. I think all three should get bronze. But it looks like the USA might get the bronze now.  Honestly whoever gets the bronze it is so tainted.  What a mess.  Whoever gets the bronze medal please take it with gratitude and don't make a commment about winning.. Shut up  and let this mess die.

[Skater Boy 15]

This is horrible for everyone - all three gymnasts.  No one really can celebrate. None of the gymnasts did anything wrong.   I feel for Jordan as she was "unlucky" and missed the AA due to the two person rule from one country and now this. To think you won an olympic medal then bam its gone.  Kind of like Charlie Brown kicking that football and Lucy grabbed it from him. The medal was snatched out of their hands.

[Skater Boy 15]

My understanding is that the USA and Romania agreed to share the medal which was nice - though I feel for the other Romanian who actually now has a higher score than Jordan (and really tied with Ana but loses on tie breaker).  I guess sadly in a way Jordan is tasting the same Medicine Ana had - thinking they had won the bronze medal.  I really did not like Jordan's conduct after doing so well  but I agree unfairly missing the all around due to the two membeer from one country rule - which ironically in part was because back in the day USA was getting beaten by eastern blocks  sweeping the to 10  etc.    I understand she is proud by lilke Noah Lyllles they become rather arrogant, flashy, trashy, boastful a little too enthusiastic so to speak  Undert the circumstances with Ana losing the bronze on such a horrendous way youu would hope Jordan woudl show more class and be more reserved but not Ms.Chiles.  She the woman. She the champ.  No one tells her waht to do or say.   Now the tables may be turned.  I also am not impressed  how these athletes it appears use their family and friends to get sympathy.  Noah Lyle's mommy told the world he had covid during the race explaining his bronze in the 200m and making it a win.  Jordan's sister and mom  are saying they lost the medal because she is black and it is racism.

 

No matter what happens Jordan is an amaziing athlllete, gymnast and person.  She doesn''t need the bronze; she is a champion.  She even has a gold and she made significant contributions.  Maybe it is time ffor gymnasticcs to rest and give the limelight to others.  

 

Now the issue should she give back the bronze since FIG and IOC said no to sharing.?  Let her keep it and put it in the record books she is fifth.  I mean the bronze medals fall apart anyways.  Maybe Russia can send Jordan one of those special Platinum medals that Evgeni Plushenko got in 2010?

[Skater Boy 15]

This is so sad.  No matter who gets the bronze there is a sense tainting or lacking leg with the medal.itimacy.  I hope the Romanian doesn't make a brash comment like Jordan did when she was told she had bronze. Everyone be humble, be kind - I don't know how anyone is going to feel good

[Skater Boy 15]

  On 8/7/2024 at 4:34 AM, NearPup said:

If Skinner wants to get out of the hole the first thing she needs to do is stop digging.

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True.  But   regardless threats are not only bullying and improper they are illegal. I don't like her comments but no one or their family should be threatened.

[Skater Boy 15]

Has anyone been following the story of Mikayla Skinner and Simone Biles.  I was a bit worried while I like Simone her fans are very strong and it appears they are overreacting to Ms. Skinner.  Now Skinner and her family including a young child are gettingg death threats. She is begging Simone to do or say something.  II don't agree what Skinner has said often though I think a lot is mis understood but nonethess death threats on her and her family are not called for.  For every Simone Biles and Tom Daley there will be many olympians some with medals who will have very average jobs.   I see so many trying to stay rellvant.  Even sadly we  see gymnasts like Mary Lou Retton who with her perkiness and Olympic gold was a darling and now she struggles to make ends meet and has to use Go fund me to help with medical bills. Not all gold is lined with silver.

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[Skater Boy 15]

  On 8/6/2024 at 10:06 PM, thiago_simoes said:

Rebeca earned a gold medal in every single major competition in the last 4/5 years. I'm not sure why you associate 5 gold medals in 5 different major events with Susan Lucci.

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Sorry I meant the AA.  I think Brian Orser and Elvis Stoijko suffered it in figure skating where in two quadrenniels they came second.    I am so glad Rebeca won the ffloor..... and over Simone too. Thhey are great friends and athletes.  At least isn't like that Canaddian diver - I think she placed fourth three times now they said. 

[Skater Boy 15]

I can see several potential  flagbearers comiing out of gymnastics.  Maybe from the men's Japan all around champ?  Simone Biles is an obvious choice for the US.. Rebeca for Brazil Maybe Ana will get rewarded for Romania?  And our Filipino powerhorse for the Philipines?

[Skater Boy 15]

  On 8/5/2024 at 8:37 PM, vlad said:

Let's give all medals in all sports to the USA. Maybe this way they will stop these robberies everytime they compete in Olympics. 

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I assume this is sarcasm.  USA is clearly a dominant figure in gymnastics especially the ladies.  I really liked that in the men there were a lot of medallists from different countries including gold from the Philipines.  Simone did very well but it was nice to see Rebeca get a gold. It is hard being the Susan Lucci of gymnastics.  People need to realilze winning to silver all arounds at two olympics in a row is a huge accomplishment.  The only person I would like to see a medal is Ellie Black because the more I find out about her the more I am impressed with her as a human being and athlete.   It is irony that  the pommel horse guy who only did that one event ends up with more medals than any US man this year.  It is kind of fun and cool that he plays off of his "nerd" look and how he can complete the Rubik's cube in under 11 seconds - I guess waiting to do his one event.  You never know where you will find  your super heroes.  As gymnastics commes to an end the USA got their touted and much talked about gold along with a gold for Simone in the AA not to mention vault   The chinese men and women weren't as strong as teams but did win some awards on the events and or all around.  Italy announced it self as a force to reckon with in ladies.  Not huge amount of conflict though the floor in ladies maybe more so.  The men were solid     Japan, China, GBR, Ukraine, Philipines, some spectacular falls - the Canadian guy on the bars was quite disastrous and scary.  I am not sure we need to have all the glitter on the l eotard of the ladies which I think is taking a nod to marketing and figure skating.  The uniforms have nothing to do with the floor routines and music let alone the bars, beam or vault.  In the end the human body is celebrated!  WOW.

[Skater Boy 15]

  On 8/5/2024 at 8:37 PM, vlad said:

Let's give all medals in all sports to the USA. Maybe this way they will stop these robberies everytime they compete in Olympics. 

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I assume this is sarcasm.  USA is clearly a dominant figure in gymnastics especially the ladies.  I really liked that in the men there were a lot of medallists from different countries including gold from the Philipines.  Simone did very well but it was nice to see Rebeca get a gold. It is hard being the Susan Lucci of gymnastics.  People need to realilze winning to silver all arounds at two olympics in a row is a huge accomplishment.  The only person I would like to see a medal is Ellie Black because the more I find out about her the more I am impressed with her as a human being and athlete.   It is irony that  the pommel horse guy who only did that one event ends up with more medals than any US man this year.  It is kind of fun and cool that he plays off of his "nerd" look and how he can complete the Rubik's cube in under 11 seconds - I guess waiting to do his one event.  You never know where you will find  your super heroes.  As gymnastics commes to an end the USA got their touted and much talked about gold along with a gold for Simone in the AA not to mention vault   The chinese men and women weren't as strong as teams but did win some awards on the events and or all around.  Italy announced it self as a force to reckon with in ladies.  Not huge amount of conflict though the floor in ladies maybe more so.  The men were solid     Japan, China, GBR, Ukraine, Philipines, some spectacular falls - the Canadian guy on the bars was quite disastrous and scary.  I am not sure we need to have all the glitter on the l eotard of the ladies which I think is taking a nod to marketing and figure skating.  The uniforms have nothing to do with the floor routines and music let alone the bars, beam or vault.  In the end the human body is celebrated!  WOW.