Adriano 401 Posted June 22, 2021 #561 Share Posted June 22, 2021 1 hour ago, merlinsbeard said: If they have a certain big advantage against other competitors, they are doing harm though, don't they? I do not watch weightlifting a lot anymore since you do not know who will be doped and at least 25% of all medal winners will be. So I feel that I am deceived. It is very similar in this case, they are not biologically women, they can have much more testosterone than other athletes. So, they would have huge advantage against others. If we allow this I do not see why we do not allow men who wants to compete in women competitions? What is different between a man who identifies as a woman and a transgender in this sense? this is your medical opinion or personal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illya 386 Posted June 22, 2021 #562 Share Posted June 22, 2021 And Kaster Semenya? What about her? She has too much testosterone and get banned . But I think , that Zelandian weightlifter hasn't so much advantage , as Semenya at 800 m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlinsbeard 21 Posted June 22, 2021 #563 Share Posted June 22, 2021 2 hours ago, Adriano said: this is your medical opinion or personal? As you can see I am using “If”, I have no idea medically and I am not outright against transgender to compete with women. But if they have an advantage due to biology I do not think they should be able to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adriano 401 Posted June 22, 2021 #564 Share Posted June 22, 2021 11 minutes ago, merlinsbeard said: As you can see I am using “If”, I have no idea medically and I am not outright against transgender to compete with women. But if they have an advantage due to biology I do not think they should be able to Totally understand that, but don't you think they should have this kind of results? 1. It will stop haters 2. It will be fair for letting participate (if this advantage is too big) with points factors for example or maybe it will be diffrent event for trans athletes in Olympic Games For me nowadays this subject is too emotional. It should be more scientific. szy123 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szy123 79 Posted June 22, 2021 #565 Share Posted June 22, 2021 I think that the rules about trans people competing should be adjusted specifically to each and every discipline. There are plenty of different factors that may affect the performance. And I dare to say, that in some events, ftm people could have some kind of advantage too. Still, there is so little trans participants, that organisations just don't care about making those rules. It seems like IOC made that very vague overall rule sticked to only one factor (testosterone) without any further insight. I suppose they may thought that it won't be an issue in the next 15-20 years. And right now it seems like Hubbard and other trans people fall atls the victims of the situation with all the hatred towards them. I feel kinda sorry for her. dodge 1 I am unashamed, at getting nothing done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grassmarket 2,715 Posted June 22, 2021 #566 Share Posted June 22, 2021 1 hour ago, szy123 said: I think that the rules about trans people competing should be adjusted specifically to each and every discipline. There are plenty of different factors that may affect the performance. And I dare to say, that in some events, ftm people could have some kind of advantage too. Still, there is so little trans participants, that organisations just don't care about making those rules. It seems like IOC made that very vague overall rule sticked to only one factor (testosterone) without any further insight. I suppose they may thought that it won't be an issue in the next 15-20 years. And right now it seems like Hubbard and other trans people fall atls the victims of the situation with all the hatred towards them. I feel kinda sorry for her. How is he a “victim”? He had his sporting career. He wasn’t very good. Along with seven billion other people. Now, at age 43, he wants to steal someone else’s career? He’s not the victim, Feagaiga Stowers is the victim. She has had her Oceania gold medal & Olympic place stolen from her by a selfish, greedy, second rate man. He deserves all the hatred he gets. Feagaiga Stowers, say her name. Makedonas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshMartini007 2,131 Posted June 22, 2021 #567 Share Posted June 22, 2021 27 minutes ago, Grassmarket said: How is he a “victim”? He had his sporting career. He wasn’t very good. Along with seven billion other people. Now, at age 43, he wants to steal someone else’s career? He’s not the victim, Feagaiga Stowers is the victim. She has had her Oceania gold medal & Olympic place stolen from her by a selfish, greedy, second rate man. He deserves all the hatred he gets. Feagaiga Stowers, say her name. Considering Samoa is already qualified in this event (though with a different athlete) your point is moot. If you are going to try to use emotions, please use the correct athlete you think was wronged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fly_like_a_don 866 Posted June 22, 2021 #568 Share Posted June 22, 2021 28 minutes ago, Grassmarket said: He’s not the victim, Feagaiga Stowers is the victim. She has had her Oceania gold medal & Olympic place stolen from her by a selfish, greedy, second rate man. He deserves all the hatred he gets Oceania gold yes, not Olympic place. Stowers has retired from weightlifting. No issues as Iuniara Sipaia qualified as 8th best lifter in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fly_like_a_don 866 Posted June 22, 2021 #569 Share Posted June 22, 2021 In fact oceania quota went to Nauru girl Charisma Amoe Taurant who is representing Australia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grassmarket 2,715 Posted June 22, 2021 #570 Share Posted June 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, JoshMartini007 said: Considering Samoa is already qualified in this event (though with a different athlete) your point is moot. If you are going to try to use emotions, please use the correct athlete you think was wronged. Fine. There is still a victim. A woman from Oceania or New Zealand will be unable to fulfil her Olympic dream because a third-rate county-level man has stolen her place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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