thiago_simoes 1,359 Posted June 12, 2020 #501 Share Posted June 12, 2020 14 hours ago, intoronto said: Gymnastics:I don't think anything will happen here. Rhythmic gets the women to equal amount of events as the men, and I don't think you can introduce new apparatus for women in artistic. Unlike Artistic swimming, the field is much more competitive. I believe there is enough room to decrease the number of quotas. Currently we have: Men's artistic: 98 quotas Women's artistic: 98 quotas Rhythmic: 26 individual quotas + 70 group quotas Trampoline: 16 quotas for men + 16 quotas for women The number of events is the same, but we have 210 women and 114 men. If there's a push for gender equality in numbers, as well, I believe this could happen: Men's artistic: 5 gymnasts in 8 teams (40) + 80 individuals Women's artistic: 5 gymnasts in 8 teams (40) + 20 individuals Rhythmic gymnastics: 5 gymnasts in 8 groups (40) + 20 individuals Trampoline: 16 quotas for men + 16 quotas for women Instead of 12 teams in artistic gymnastics, only 8 teams would be able to qualify. So, 8 teams + 80 individuals in men's artistic gymnastics means that 88 nations would be able to qualify, what is absolutely INSANE. I'm not even sure that there are 88 national federations with active programs in artistic gymnastics right now. Women's artistic gymnastics and rhythmic gymnastics have always been seen as niche disciplines with the same old countries earning medals, and a severe reduction in quotas would make things ten times worse than they already are. There's also a chance that teams in artistic will keep the current number of gymnasts (4 per team) instead of going back to the 5 per team (as originally planned for 2024). This could potentially open up 8 individual quotas in women's artistic gymnastics, but it would also affect men's artistic gymnastics and now 96 countries would be able to qualify. Once again: I'm not even sure that there are that many countries competing at the World Championships. This would lead to 52 less quotas. Now, if we consider a slightly different program consisting of the same number of events, I believe the following scenario could be feasible: Men's artistic: 8 teams with 4 gymnasts (32) + 66 individuals = 98 gymnasts Women's artistic: 8 teams with 4 gymnasts (32) + 33 individuals = 65 gymnasts Rhythmic: 8 teams with 2 gymnasts (16) + 17 individuals = 33 gymnasts Trampoline: 16 quotas for men + 16 quotas for women = 32 gymnasts In rhythmic gymnastics, groups would be gone. Teams would be composed of 2 gymnasts from the same nation. Events would be 1) team all-around and 2) individual all-around, instead of the current format (group all-around and individual all-around). This would lead to 96 less quotas. Wow! Either way, these options seem completely insane to me and would nearly kill both women's artistic gymnastics and rhythmic gymnastics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Federer91 2,114 Posted June 12, 2020 #502 Share Posted June 12, 2020 Or they could have a backbone for damn once (i know, it is very unusual for the IOC fools) and say it is impossible to have a pure Men = Women quotas in every f'n sport. It's completely normal to have in gymnastics and swimming more women, just like it is normal to have more men in boxing and wrestling. If we get yet another reduction in the men's boxing categories, just to add more women ones with 5 people contesting, when men's boxing has a 120 year legacy, while the women have 10-15 years is stupidity of the highest level. Sindo, mrv86 and heywoodu 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto 4,079 Posted June 20, 2020 #503 Share Posted June 20, 2020 Some of the new events are discussed here: https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1095456/michael-pavitt-if-paris-2024-events-blog Summary (as we know 20 IF's asked for new events)IF's requesting new events: Canoeing (requesting extreme canoe slalom. I would think this means 4 new events) Gymnastics (requesting two new events, parkour for men/women) Handball (requesting beach handball, 8 teams per gender, 128 athletes, lets be realistic, not happening) Modern pentathlon (requesting mixed relay event) Rowing (Coastal rowing, unknown number of events) Sailing (new events, proposal is finalized) Shooting (proposed one new event, think it will be decline because currently there is gender equality) Table tennis (proposed men's and women's doubles, which I hope is declined). Triathlon (proposed one new event, think it will be decline because currently there is gender equality) IF's not requesting events. Archery Equestrian Field hockey Football Tennis Volleyball -One sport is missing Rugby sevens ?? Moved from list below IF's unknown Aquatics - Proposed a lot of events for Tokyo that were declined, perhaps trying again Athletics - I would assume this has to do with the race walks. ITG reports cross-country perhaps Badminton - ?? I would think this has to be a mixed team event, only 9 countries qualified athletes across all events in Rio. However, if they stipulate min 2 men and 2 women, 4 more would qualify. A 12 team tournament seems realistic? Basketball - What else could they want lol?? A dunk contest/skills competition with all athletes open, would be a glorified version of the NBA event. Cycling - ITG reports more "urban events", changes in women's team sprint in track cycling. Could be more events. Fencing - No clue what would be proposed. They have every event they wanted. Perhaps @phelps could clarify. Golf - Perhaps a mixed team competition, which all other MSE events have. Judo - Only thing I can see here is team events per gender, which is ridiculous, but possible. Taekwondo - Mixed team event. I hope the IOC rejects this. Weightlifting - Complete gender equality, what else could they want? They would likely want more events, but that would mean less than 12 per category. With the current situation in the IF, I doubt the IOC would approve of anything. Wrestling - This is likely done to bring more gender equality, as in adding more women's events. Out of all these Rugby sevens is clearly the one that will not request any new events. How could it? Which means all other IF's on this list have requested new events. IF Suspended Boxing De_Gambassi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympian1010 7,418 Posted June 20, 2020 #504 Share Posted June 20, 2020 @intoronto I would guess ISSF is asking for Mixed Team Skeet, which would probably just be rubber-stamped by the IOC. @Griff88 Seems as if you’ve underestimated the BWF here. I think Basketball could just simply be asking for an increase in teams in the 3x3 tournament. However, @intoronto could be right about the dunk contest/shoot-out. All-in-all, our guesses from the last few pages seem pretty much spot-on at moment. Only thing that surprised me was the ICF asking for extreme canoe slalom, but I really should have seen that coming in retrospect. “Sport has the power to change the world. It has the power to inspire. Sport can create hope where once there was only despair” - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phelps 6,537 Posted June 20, 2020 #505 Share Posted June 20, 2020 6 minutes ago, intoronto said: Some of the new events are discussed here: https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1095456/michael-pavitt-if-paris-2024-events-blog Summary (as we know 20 IF's asked for new events)IF's requesting new events: Canoeing (requesting extreme canoe slalom. I would think this means 4 new events) Gymnastics (requesting two new events, parkour for men/women) Handball (requesting beach handball, 8 teams per gender, 128 athletes, lets be realistic, not happening) Modern pentathlon (requesting mixed relay event) Rowing (Coastal rowing, unknown number of events) Sailing (new events, proposal is finalized) Shooting (proposed one new event, think it will be decline because currently there is gender equality) Table tennis (proposed men's and women's doubles, which I hope is declined). Triathlon (proposed one new event, think it will be decline because currently there is gender equality) IF's not requesting events. Archery Equestrian Field hockey Football Tennis Volleyball -One sport is missing Rugby sevens ?? Moved from list below IF's unknown Aquatics - Proposed a lot of events for Tokyo that were declined, perhaps trying again Athletics - I would assume this has to do with the race walks. ITG reports cross-country perhaps Badminton - ?? I would think this has to be a mixed team event, only 9 countries qualified athletes across all events in Rio. However, if they stipulate min 2 men and 2 women, 4 more would qualify. A 12 team tournament seems realistic? Basketball - What else could they want lol?? A dunk contest/skills competition with all athletes open, would be a glorified version of the NBA event. Cycling - ITG reports more "urban events", changes in women's team sprint in track cycling. Could be more events.Fencing - No clue what would be proposed. They have every event they wanted. Perhaps @phelps could clarify. Golf - Perhaps a mixed team competition, which all other MSE events have. Judo - Only thing I can see here is team events per gender, which is ridiculous, but possible. Taekwondo - Mixed team event. I hope the IOC rejects this. Weightlifting - Complete gender equality, what else could they want? They would likely want more events, but that would mean less than 12 per category. With the current situation in the IF, I doubt the IOC would approve of anything. Wrestling - This is likely done to bring more gender equality, as in adding more women's events. Out of all these Rugby sevens is clearly the one that will not request any new events. How could it? Which means all other IF's on this list have requested new events. IF Suspended Boxing the only event ever contested (at youth level only) that comes to my mind is the mixed gender/mixed weapons team event (basically, 1 representative for each weapon, M + F...the format is a relay like the current single weapon team events)... frankly, I hope ioc is not going to put this farce forward...FIE already dropped it after experimenting it in a couple of Cadet Worlds, so I don't think there's any request by them, but rather it's the ioc trying to cut the current team events in each weapon to replace them with this dumb event... personally, I'd rather live well without any single team event at the Olympics, but surely I don't want to see that sh*t anymore in my life...especially at the Olympics... p.s. Judo could also try to push for Kata events...I know IJF is working a lot to promote that discipline within their federations... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto 4,079 Posted June 20, 2020 #506 Share Posted June 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Olympian1010 said: @intoronto I would guess ISSF is asking for Mixed Team Skeet, which would probably just be rubber-stamped by the IOC. @Griff88 Seems as if you’ve underestimated the BWF here. I think Basketball could just simply be asking for an increase in teams in the 3x3 tournament. However, @intoronto could be right about the dunk contest/shoot-out. All-in-all, our guesses from the last few pages seem pretty much spot-on at moment. Only thing that surprised me was the ICF asking for extreme canoe slalom, but I really should have seen that coming in retrospect. The list about event changes not just quotas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phelps 6,537 Posted June 20, 2020 #507 Share Posted June 20, 2020 6 minutes ago, Olympian1010 said: @intoronto I would guess ISSF is asking for Mixed Team Skeet, which would probably just be rubber-stamped by the IOC. I might even like it...but only because it's an almost locked medal for Italy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heywoodu 13,504 Posted June 20, 2020 #508 Share Posted June 20, 2020 So this will be decided somewhere this year I suppose? I mean, it's already late to change the sports programme so drastically, surely they're not going to wait until 2021 or even worse, 2022? If you'd like to help our fellow Totallympics member Bruna Moura get to the 2026 Winter Olympics, after her car crash on the way to the 2022 Olympics, every tiny bit of help would be greatly appreciated! Full story and how to help can be found here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agger 1,576 Posted June 20, 2020 #509 Share Posted June 20, 2020 31 minutes ago, heywoodu said: So this will be decided somewhere this year I suppose? I mean, it's already late to change the sports programme so drastically, surely they're not going to wait until 2021 or even worse, 2022? December is the deadline heywoodu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heywoodu 13,504 Posted June 20, 2020 #510 Share Posted June 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, Agger said: December is the deadline Thanks. At least the Olympic cycle is shorter now, which in this case is a bit of luck...it's rather bad to make such significant alterations to the program within the Olympic cycle it's about, but December 2020 isn't after Tokyo 2020 anymore If you'd like to help our fellow Totallympics member Bruna Moura get to the 2026 Winter Olympics, after her car crash on the way to the 2022 Olympics, every tiny bit of help would be greatly appreciated! Full story and how to help can be found here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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