OlympicsFan 782 Posted April 30, 2021 #41 Share Posted April 30, 2021 Would be great if FINA would get rid of breaststroke, completely pointless when they don’t even try to create a level playing field. The number of dolphin kicks is the most important factor for success and FINA either doesn’t want to control it or they are too stupid to do it. Also not sure what the point is in swimming with a technique that isn’t even among the 3 fastest techniques. Why not also have a 100 m/200 m/400 m/800 m/1500 m/5000 m/10000 m track race at the Olympics where people are only allowed to run backwards? Would make about as much sense ... Attachment is the great fabricator of illusions; reality can be obtained only by someone who is detached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickyc707 305 Posted April 30, 2021 #42 Share Posted April 30, 2021 1 hour ago, OlympicsFan said: Would be great if FINA would get rid of breaststroke, completely pointless when they don’t even try to create a level playing field. The number of dolphin kicks is the most important factor for success and FINA either doesn’t want to control it or they are too stupid to do it. Also not sure what the point is in swimming with a technique that isn’t even among the 3 fastest techniques. Why not also have a 100 m/200 m/400 m/800 m/1500 m/5000 m/10000 m track race at the Olympics where people are only allowed to run backwards? Would make about as much sense ... By that logic why keep the second and third fastest strokes either? Breastroke is a stroke that most members of the public use and can relate to. By contrast who in their right mind would use the butterfly stroke outside of a swimming competition? Personally I'm not an advocate of removing any of the four strokes but if one has to go it should be the least natural. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Liu 1,588 Posted May 1, 2021 #43 Share Posted May 1, 2021 Chinese Trails Day 2 Highlight Men's 400 medley Wang Shun 4:12.03 Women's 400 medley Yu Yiting 4:37.88 Ye Shiwen 04:44.29 Yu Yiting got standard A after 15 min rest after 100m fly semifinal. I think she still has potential to be faster if she won't compete 100m fly in Tokyo. Ye Shiwen's apparently not in good condition. She seemed to be struggling and exhausted after finishing the match. rafalgorka 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlympicsFan 782 Posted May 1, 2021 #44 Share Posted May 1, 2021 12 hours ago, Nickyc707 said: By that logic why keep the second and third fastest strokes either? Breastroke is a stroke that most members of the public use and can relate to. By contrast who in their right mind would use the butterfly stroke outside of a swimming competition? Personally I'm not an advocate of removing any of the four strokes but if one has to go it should be the least natural. Not sure if you read my comment, but the main reason why I think that breaststroke should be removed is that it clearly isn’t a level playing field when FINA either doesn’t try to make sure that everyone only uses the allowed number of dolphin kicks or they just don’t care. Swimming and athletics are sports where decisions of individual judges shouldn’t matter, unlike in other sports like gymnastics, figure skating, boxing or ski jumping. I used the same reasoning in the past when I wanted race walking to be eliminated. In backstroke and butterfly you don’t have that Problem or at least not to that extent. I just don’t see a reason (apart from Tradition) why some sports (swimming, wrestling, canoeing) should be allowed to blow up their number of medal events by using different techniques, while most other sports don’t have that option. Why not also include compound archery for example by that logic? Attachment is the great fabricator of illusions; reality can be obtained only by someone who is detached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafalgorka 1,369 Posted May 3, 2021 #45 Share Posted May 3, 2021 https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1107321/sun-yang-swimming-toyko-2020-olympics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafalgorka 1,369 Posted May 8, 2021 #46 Share Posted May 8, 2021 Looks like Polish TV will not show European Championships in swimming this year. Do you have any suggestions how I could watch it on the internet, probably using VPN? If there is nothing on YouTube, I think BBC, RAI or Hungarian TV websites may be best way to do it. We will see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phelps 6,795 Posted May 8, 2021 #47 Share Posted May 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, rafalgorka said: Looks like Polish TV will not show European Championships in swimming this year. Do you have any suggestions how I could watch it on the internet, probably using VPN? Italian Channel Raisport+ HD...they will have everything live (open water swimming included)... and of course the Hungarian TV, M4 Sport...they're going to show also all the preliminaries... rafalgorka 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafalgorka 1,369 Posted May 8, 2021 #48 Share Posted May 8, 2021 @phelpsthanks, I'll try them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajiv 25 Posted May 8, 2021 #49 Share Posted May 8, 2021 I'd say that you can make a strong argument for reducing the no of swimming events in all strokes except freestyle . The other strokes are really a novelty -methods of swimming which aren't the fastest way from A to B - like having a hopping or skipping race -or hand walking but maybe that's not too different from having weight defined events in many sports -we are not looking for the best per se but the best with one hand tied behind your back or something similar Actually butterfly is the least credible swim stroke -unlike the other strokes it doesn't exist outside serious swimming competitions . Don't see a lot of butterfly at your local swimming spot And yes I know the history - invented as a clever way to game the then breaststroke rules But I realise that every sport wants more events and the health of every sport requires a lot of events to encourage many participants to that sport Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlympicsFan 782 Posted May 8, 2021 #50 Share Posted May 8, 2021 45 minutes ago, rajiv said: I'd say that you can make a strong argument for reducing the no of swimming events in all strokes except freestyle . The other strokes are really a novelty -methods of swimming which aren't the fastest way from A to B - like having a hopping or skipping race -or hand walking but maybe that's not too different from having weight defined events in many sports -we are not looking for the best per se but the best with one hand tied behind your back or something similar Actually butterfly is the least credible swim stroke -unlike the other strokes it doesn't exist outside serious swimming competitions . Don't see a lot of butterfly at your local swimming spot And yes I know the history - invented as a clever way to game the then breaststroke rules But I realise that every sport wants more events and the health of every sport requires a lot of events to encourage many participants to that sport You are right about butterfly. It is the stroke the makes the least sense. You are wrong about comparing different weight categories to different strokes. Different weight categories exist because naturally different heights exist and it would be unfair to have someone who is 170 cm fighting against someone who is 190 cm. If there wouldn’t be any weight categories, Asian countries would do much worse in fighting sports. Attachment is the great fabricator of illusions; reality can be obtained only by someone who is detached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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