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Gianlu33

Winter Olympic Games 2026 Bid Process

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12 minutes ago, Monzanator said:

 

Luge & bobsleigh track is the single most expensive and most useless thing required for the Olympics. The old Cortina track is basically ruined anyway, right?

 

It's in IOC interest for the host nation to have a successful Games to boost the attendance and other such stuff.

 

Mostly because there's still nobody investing in continueing the research on a modular track, which would cost maybe 5% of a regular track and can be build up and taken down easily to be put somewhere else.

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2 minutes ago, heywoodu said:

 

Mostly because there's still nobody investing in continueing the research on a modular track, which would cost maybe 5% of a regular track and can be build up and taken down easily to be put somewhere else.

 

What's the point of having bobsleigh track if it's not permanent so that hosts gain as much advantage from it as they wish?


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3 minutes ago, De_Gambassi said:

 

Since when national federations are asking themselves for new sports/disciplines to be included in the olympics ?...

 

well then he must be lying, that was the source of the articles anyway - I don't know if they can or not or if the (N)OC were involved.

 

Anyway it seems obvious to me that Italians will at least try to add natural track luge and ski mountaineering.

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3 minutes ago, De_Gambassi said:

 

Since when national federations are asking themselves for new sports/disciplines to be included in the olympics ?...

 

it's because an international federation sometimes needs to be pushed by some of their members to show interest in making some disciplines "Olympic" (FIL is basically a branch of the German federation...they would never do anything that's against the German interests like entering new non-GER dominated events in the Olympic schedule)...

 

and however, our NF did that in the name of the local organizers of the Milano-Cortina Olympics, who can do that as an institution yet because of burocratic issues with their statute (basically, the Milano-Cortina LOCOG officially doesn't exist yet)...

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2 minutes ago, dcro said:

 

What's the point of having bobsleigh track if it's not permanent so that hosts gain as much advantage from it as they wish?

Once the Olympics are done, they won't need it anymore and it can be taken away to be used elsewhere - with a different layout of course. Plenty of time for a new host, since apparently - as shown by Beijing - they don't want to use the full time they've got to take all advantage.

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2 minutes ago, phelps said:

 

yeah, but the original "skeleton" it's still there and the costs to have a good make-up and make it again the best and most difficult track on the sliding sports circuit are not as high as building a new track...

 

they started with a reasonably low budget and even if they said it would take a bit more money, I don't think the total costs would eventually raise up to immoral level...

 

and they also signed a document to keep it working full time for at least 25 more years after the Olympics...

 

I don't trust the Italians to keep up to their promise. The other luge track in St. Caterina went belly up in less than 10 years since the Turin OG. And now you say 25 years guaranteed? No way. Paperwork can be easily rendered useless. It will require some public money and well, Italy seems to have public funding issues every other year?

 

Kamil Stoch said it's a miracle the big hill in Predazzo is still standing as it's in terrible shape especially the in-run (hence why they held the two ski jumping rounds at the normal hill last weekend). This speaks of bigger problems with overall maintenance of these venues. And luge might be somewhat popular in Sud Tirol but I just don't see how the new track lasts beyond 10 years without a regular spot on the World Cup schedule.

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1 minute ago, Monzanator said:

 

I don't trust the Italians to keep up to their promise. The other luge track in St. Caterina went belly up in less than 10 years since the Turin OG. And now you say 25 years guaranteed? No way. Paperwork can be easily rendered useless. It will require some public money and well, Italy seems to have public funding issues every other year?

 

Kamil Stoch said it's a miracle the big hill in Predazzo is still standing as it's in terrible shape especially the in-run (hence why they held the two ski jumping rounds at the normal hill last weekend). This speaks of bigger problems with overall maintenance of these venues. And luge might be somewhat popular in Sud Tirol but I just don't see how the new track lasts beyond 10 years without a regular spot on the World Cup schedule.

 

the Predazzo hills are just falling apart...they all know, but they won't do anything until the Olympic specific funds come to them...

 

the track in Cesana was dismissed because the local administration didn't want to pay for the mantainance costs and there was no financial guarantee about its legacy, meanwhile this time it's all already there with all the needed signatures by our NOC, the local club that will be responsible of the everyday job, the Veneto Region (track mantainance after the Olympics won't be funded by our NOC nor the National government, but from the local administrations -the city of Cortina and the Veneto Region- so the risks of not keeping the promises are very low)...

 

moreover, the Cesana track wasn't even supported by our wintersports federation, as it was built on the basis of a totally wrong project (it was exposed to the sun for most of the day, making it unavailable for high level training races from mid-morning to late afternoon) and it was miles and miles away from the Italian core of this kind of disciplines (as said, it's basically a South Tyrol thing only)...

 

this time the track is in a perfect location and just 20 minutes bus ride away from the South Tyrolean valleys...and of course, if they get everything in place, it's quite obvious that they would eventually get a regular place in the Luge and Bobsligh calendar, as it's always been until the old track was in use...

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Il y a 5 heures, phelps a dit :

 

it's because an international federation sometimes needs to be pushed by some of their members to show interest in making some disciplines "Olympic" (FIL is basically a branch of the German federation...they would never do anything that's against the German interests like entering new non-GER dominated events in the Olympic schedule)...

 

and however, our NF did that in the name of the local organizers of the Milano-Cortina Olympics, who can do that as an institution yet because of burocratic issues with their statute (basically, the Milano-Cortina LOCOG officially doesn't exist yet)...

 

Well, NFs can push for whatever new events/disciplines they want, but any new event/discipline applications will have to be run through the international federation. So ... 

 

It's not an organizing committee stuff neither as we are not talking here about an additional sport (like your beloved paris 2024's Breakdance), but a new discipline in an already existing sport (Luge). Obviously Milan-Cortina 2026 can push also for whatever additions they want, but it's something different that what was reported....

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