Monzanator 3,593 Posted June 25, 2021 #2081 Share Posted June 25, 2021 14 minutes ago, dodge said: So why are people against it then… Because politics should stay away from sports, period. Maxim Fastovsky and intoronto 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thiago_simoes 1,359 Posted June 25, 2021 #2082 Share Posted June 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, Monzanator said: Because politics should stay away from sports, period. So, let athletes represent themselves at the Olympics instead of pieces of land with an imaginary boundary decided by politics, then. LDOG, szy123, heywoodu and 1 other 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quaker2001 243 Posted June 25, 2021 #2083 Share Posted June 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Monzanator said: Raising a fist didn't solve any issues in 1968 and it won't solve any issues in 2021 either IMO It's still a slippery slope for the IOC to decide what is or isn't acceptable when it comes to protesting. And as usual, simply by acknowledging this, they're going to piss off both sides. The anti-protest side will still be like "if I see 1 raised fist, I won't watch the Olympics." And the other side will be "how dare they suppress free speech, I won't watch the Olympics." Paris 2024 competition schedule by Day Paris 2024 competition schedule by Sport Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDOG 2,199 Posted June 25, 2021 #2084 Share Posted June 25, 2021 Sports is so interwined with politics that anyone saying it should be apolitical is laughable. Also, people who want x to be apolitical usually have a very defined ideology: they are pro status quo almost always. szy123, heywoodu, vinipereira and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monzanator 3,593 Posted June 25, 2021 #2085 Share Posted June 25, 2021 27 minutes ago, thiago_simoes said: So, let athletes represent themselves at the Olympics instead of pieces of land with an imaginary boundary decided by politics, then. Those pieces of land actually fund these athletes. If they didn't, Olympics would be only possible for children of millionaires (and then you'd have to ask where those millions would come from?) dcro 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NearPup 2,156 Posted June 25, 2021 #2086 Share Posted June 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Monzanator said: Because politics should stay away from sports, period. Defining what is and isn’t political is in and of itself a political exercise, so. As for the 1968 raised fist incident, lets not pretend that the IOC of that era was an apolitical creature. Brundage made a lot of very politically charged statements as head of the IOC. thiago_simoes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szy123 79 Posted June 25, 2021 #2087 Share Posted June 25, 2021 Everything is political in a democracy. And democracy is people. And athletes are people and thus most of them have some ideas about world they care about. thiago_simoes 1 I am unashamed, at getting nothing done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon 1,690 Posted June 25, 2021 #2088 Share Posted June 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Monzanator said: Because politics should stay away from sports, period. If you change the word "politics" to "morality", would you still agree with that statement? szy123 and thiago_simoes 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quaker2001 243 Posted June 25, 2021 #2089 Share Posted June 25, 2021 1 hour ago, LDOG said: Sports is so interwined with politics that anyone saying it should be apolitical is laughable. Also, people who want x to be apolitical usually have a very defined ideology: they are pro status quo almost always. The IOC can't have it both ways. When the Koreas marched together in 2018, they wanted to claim credit for that. When the world has a beef with China and the IOC is turning a blind eye to human rights abuses, they'll pretend like the issue doesn't exist. Yea, it would be nice to keep sports and politics separate, but we don't live in that world. And if advocating for equal rights is "being political" then we need to take a long look at ourselves. The best irony here for me is that the same group of people that say "keep politics out of sports" are largely aligned with the group that will be upset if politics is kept out of sports with the 2022 Olympics. Same deal everyone.. which is it? Can't have it both ways. thiago_simoes, LDOG and szy123 3 Paris 2024 competition schedule by Day Paris 2024 competition schedule by Sport Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnl 658 Posted June 25, 2021 #2090 Share Posted June 25, 2021 Sorry , but when you leave a room for protest and politics(the kind of which is not supposed to be related to the sports world) you give the option to abuse this situation, if some athletes care about a problem then act , donate the prize money to an organisation or something, raising a hand will not solve the problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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