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1 hora atrás, heywoodu disse:

To quote legendary Dutch coach Rinus Michels (who guided the Netherlands to Euro 1988 win): "Football is war." 

 

:p

 

 

 

 

You guys were truly excited yesterday, many people really happy in bars for the Germany being eliminated. Finally some World Cup excitment in The Netherlands :lol:

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vor 11 Stunden schrieb Dunadan:

I ask for proof for your claim that Germany invaded Austria to help Italy win the World Cup, like you suggested here:

 

Plus I asked before if there was any other World Cup that you considered a joke...If Italy is only 2 times champion, how many World Cupshave Germany and Brazil won in your opinion?

 

 

 

No, your oririginal point was that those 2 world cups werents irregular or at least one of them wasnt, otherwise we wouldnt lead this discussion. Whether germany invaded austria to help italy win the world cup or not really hasnt anything to do with our discussion. Lets settle this discussion: Do you think that the 2 first world cup wins for Italy were irregular or at least extremely shady or not?

 

Obviously you are trying to change the discussion here, but just implying that german or brazil world cup wins might have been irregular too wont do anything, so i am gonna ask you to provide proof as i did with the italian world cup wins.

You know who wears sunglasses inside?

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vor 2 Stunden schrieb kungshamra71:

Wow too many harsh discussions here!

 

lets try to fix all this World Cup stress with a bit of humor, by showing you guys how Portuguese team is training in this days for the match again Uruguay and Suarez! :lol:

 

 

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Wouldnt mind Suarez biting Pepe, although he would probably get a food poisoning from it.

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51 minutes ago, kungshamra71 said:

 

You guys were truly excited yesterday, many people really happy in bars for the Germany being eliminated. Finally some World Cup excitment in The Netherlands :lol:

It's especially fun to look back at for example the Premier League darts in Berlin earlier this year, where the two Dutch players were greeted by a constant chorus of "Ohne Holland fahr'n wir zur WM" ("Without the Netherlands we're going to the World Cup") coming out of a couple thousands of German mouths :d 

 

Obviously that was greeted by the Dutch as part of the usually good-mannered (nowadays at least) banter back and forth, just like since yesterday Dutch social media has been full with versions of the song "Schade Deutschland, alles ist vorbei" ("Too bad Germany, everything is over") :p 

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The big difference is that Germany has a lot of great young talents and will have no problem to be a contender again in 4 years, while Italy and the Netherlands have been shit for a long time and don't have much promise, that's also why german fans can take those provocations as what they are: An attempt to hide the fact that those countries have become irrelevant in today's football and that it is very likely to stay that way.

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34 minuti fa, OlympicsFan ha scritto:

The big difference is that Germany has a lot of great young talents and will have no problem to be a contender again in 4 years, while Italy and the Netherlands have been shit for a long time and don't have much promise, that's also why german fans can take those provocations as what they are: An attempt to hide the fact that those countries have become irrelevant in today's football and that it is very likely to stay that way.

 

I agree (about Italy).

All good idea/changes/and other "magic formulas" ....... proposed after our elimination are far away from start.

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3 hours ago, OlympicsFan said:

Whether germany invaded austria to help italy win the world cup or not really hasnt anything to do with our discussion. 

You brought this as "proof" but now you are saying that it is irrelevant. :mumble:For me it's an absurd claim.

 

3 hours ago, OlympicsFan said:

 Lets settle this discussion: Do you think that the 2 first world cup wins for Italy were irregular or at least extremely shady or not?

In the first tournament Italy was helped by referees, in the second tournament there was nothing irregular or shady involving Italy.

 

3 hours ago, OlympicsFan said:

Obviously you are trying to change the discussion here, but just implying that german or brazil world cup wins might have been irregular too wont do anything, so i am gonna ask you to provide proof as i did with the italian world cup wins.

No, I was only trying to see if you are consistent. I personally prefer to accept the official count and don't consider any WC a joke but if I had to follow your logic I could find something very shady about many tournaments, for example involving Brazil and Germany(which I pick ed because your original comment was about the teams with the higher number of titles won)

-1954 would be a joke for the doping scandal (http://www.worldsoccer.com/columnists/keir-radnedge/west-germanys-culture-of-doping-kept-under-wraps-341986) and biased refereeing in the final: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_FIFA_World_Cup_Final#Controversies

- 1962 would be a joke because the Brazilians corrupted officials in order to have Garrincha in the final after he was sent off in the semifinal

Spoiler

https://amp.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/mar/04/stunning-moments-no4-battle-of-santiago

"The Brazilian FA, however, were not. His availability for the final lay in the hands of a Fifa disciplinary committee, at which the match officials would give evidence. But first the referee, the Peruvian Arturo Yamazaki, received a phone call from his country’s president requesting that he tone down his testimony, and made Garrincha’s offence sound positively trifling. Then the linesman, Uruguay’s Esteban Marino, on whose say-so Yamazaki had acted in the first place and whose evidence was to be crucial, failed to turn up at all.

"He just disappeared. It was like something out of an Agatha Christie novel,” wrote the Brazilian journalist Argeu Affonso, who was covering the tournament. “It was Agatha Christie football. He just disappeared, and nobody knew where he’d gone.” It turned out that the Brazilian World Cup referee John Etzel had been given $10,000 in cash by his FA to pass on to his colleague in return for his disappearance. Without him Fifa found that they had insufficient evidence to ban Garrincha, who played as Brazil beat Czechoslovakia 3-1 in the final. “It was me who won the World Cup,” Etzel later claimed, and he got more than that: it later transpired that he had given Marino only half of the cash, and kept the rest for himself

 

End of the discussion on my part.

 

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