JonPhi 246 Posted March 1, 2022 #131 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Looks like no and Athletes at World Cups in Norway this weekend: https://www.nrk.no/sport/overstyrer-fis_-skiforbundet-nekter-russere-a-delta-i-norge-1.15873984 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heywoodu 13,499 Posted March 1, 2022 #132 Share Posted March 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, JonPhi said: Looks like no and Athletes at World Cups in Norway this weekend: https://www.nrk.no/sport/overstyrer-fis_-skiforbundet-nekter-russere-a-delta-i-norge-1.15873984 I'd have preferred to see these events cancelled altogether then, this is just nonsense. If you'd like to help our fellow Totallympics member Bruna Moura get to the 2026 Winter Olympics, after her car crash on the way to the 2022 Olympics, every tiny bit of help would be greatly appreciated! Full story and how to help can be found here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcro 10,172 Posted March 1, 2022 #133 Share Posted March 1, 2022 14 minutes ago, NearPup said: I think “war of conquest” is a pretty decent line. In Crimea there was conquest but certainly no war (it was more a bloodless coup than anything else). If Putin had just done a “peacekeeping” escapade in the Donbas I think most of the world would have waved their fingers but not have reacted too strongly. But invading a country that quite clearly does not want to be invaded for the clear goal of annexing it (Putin sort of discredited any plausible deniability with his speech)? Wherever the line is, surely that is beyond it? This is also about sanctions. If Russian businesses are sanctioned, then on what grounds should the athletes get away with it? Professional sports are a business anyway, not some humanitarian mission. #banbestmen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxim Fastovsky 124 Posted March 1, 2022 #134 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Fivb taking away the men's world championships from Russia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vektor 3,177 Posted March 1, 2022 #135 Share Posted March 1, 2022 It's foolish to think that the US would ever get this kind of treatment if they start a war anywhere. I wouldn't even blame racism why there wouldn't be boycotts in the case of another war in the Middle East similar to Iraq. People are only up in arms about this war because they see Ukraine as a democratic country that wants to join the West. If Russia would have invaded Belarus the international reaction wouldn't be anywhere near as dramatic. Sure, people were protesting against wars initiated by the US, but in the end it's our ideology (democracy, freedom) against a country or countries with an opposing ideology. If the US invades Iran the next day in the name of protecting freedom and democracy and whatever bullshit casus belli they fabricate this time, Europe would join them, and nobody would even talk about sanctions. De_Gambassi, hoversaBR, opruh and 5 others 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcro 10,172 Posted March 1, 2022 #136 Share Posted March 1, 2022 15 minutes ago, Vektor said: It's foolish to think that the US would ever get this kind of treatment if they start a war anywhere. I wouldn't even blame racism why there wouldn't be boycotts in the case of another war in the Middle East similar to Iraq. People are only up in arms about this war because they see Ukraine as a democratic country that wants to join the West. If Russia would have invaded Belarus the international reaction wouldn't be anywhere near as dramatic. Sure, people were protesting against wars initiated by the US, but in the end it's our ideology (democracy, freedom) against a country or countries with an opposing ideology. If the US invades Iran the next day in the name of protecting freedom and democracy and whatever bullshit casus belli they fabricate this time, Europe would join them, and nobody would even talk about sanctions. It comes down to the universality of sanctions. Putin did something that made most of the world unite instantly. Whataboutism does nothing here except deflect from the war that is happening right now. orangeman and FancyFenchel 2 #banbestmen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vektor 3,177 Posted March 1, 2022 #137 Share Posted March 1, 2022 8 minutes ago, dcro said: It comes down to the universality of sanctions. Putin did something that made most of the world unite instantly. Whataboutism does nothing here except deflect from the war that is happening right now. It's not whataboutism to point out that one part of the world clearly has more control over sports than the other. "Most of the world" didn't unite. It's the West that's united. The Arab countries are similarly united against Israel, but that didn't result in the total exclusion of Israel from sports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcro 10,172 Posted March 1, 2022 #138 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Just now, Vektor said: It's not whataboutism to point out that one part of the world clearly has more control over sports than the other. "Most of the world" didn't unite. It's the West that's united. The Arab countries are similarly united against Israel, but that didn't result in the total exclusion of Israel from sports. Most of the world happens to be larger and more influential than most of the Arabs. For what it's worth, Israel did get excluded from the Asian sports continent and the Mediterranean Games, even though they are literally surrounded by Asian and Mediterranean nations. If that's not Arab doing then I don't know what could be. #banbestmen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opruh 125 Posted March 1, 2022 #139 Share Posted March 1, 2022 West and its allies at most is around 1.5+ billion people. China and India alone which stated their neutrality here is 3+ billion. While the most of the world is united in stopping the war asap, not the same can be said about this strange moves in the sporting world being spearheaded by the west. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vektor 3,177 Posted March 1, 2022 #140 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Just now, dcro said: Most of the world happens to be larger and more influential than most of the Arabs. For what it's worth, Israel did get excluded from the Asian sports continent and the Mediterranean Games, even though they are literally surrounded by Asian and Mediterranean nations. If that's not Arab doing then I don't know what could be. It's not "most of the world". It's US + Europe + Japan + South Korea + Canada, it's countries inside the American sphere of influence. That's our part of the world, but not most of the world, not in terms of number of nations, not in terms of population, far from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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