Figure Skating at the Winter Olympic Games Beijing 2022

[Monzanator 3,593]

There will be no bidding for 2030 WOG. Salt Lake City will be handed the Games by default.

[Vektor 3,195]

1 minute ago, Orangehair43 said:

IOC will have to at least push it or more sponsors will withdraw and countries will talk about setting up an alternative Olympics instead. 

Which countries? The one that will host the Games in 6 years? They will just be angry, condemn it, and then move on to the next Games. What you are talking about has no precedents in sport. There's too much money at stake for everyone involved, it's the same reason why the boycotts of the 80s will never happen again. 

[Orangehair43 172]

Just now, Vektor said:

Which countries? The one that will host the Games in 6 years? They will just be angry, condemn it, and then move on to the next Games. What you are talking about has no precedents in sport. There's too much money at stake for everyone involved, it's the same reason why the boycotts of the 80s will never happen again. 

Everytime a Russian Performs the Olympics is losing more and more viewers permanently. This could be the final straw for many. Many will simply refuse to watch Paris and Milan if Russians are there. 

[Monzanator 3,593]

Ah yes, I was missing Orangehair's campaign to cancel every Olympics there is. Didn't happen with Beijing so now we're cancelling Paris & Cortina

[Vektor 3,195]

3 minutes ago, Orangehair43 said:

Everytime a Russian Performs the Olympics is losing more and more viewers permanently. This could be the final straw for many. Many will simply refuse to watch Paris and Milan if Russians are there. 

Do you have any data to back this up? There were always doping scandals at the Games, but people still kept watching. Hell, the current scandal is so spicy that it might increase the viewership for the women's event if Valieva will compete. 

[Orangehair43 172]

2 minutes ago, Vektor said:

Do you have any data to back this up? There were always doping scandals at the Games, but people still kept watching. Hell, the current scandal is so spicy that it might increase the viewership for the women's event if Valieva will compete. 

It won’t. Just look online. People have been put off by the presence of Russia as it makes it a disgrace at how stupid they are being allowed to compete.

[NearPup 2,156]

7 hours ago, Orangehair43 said:

In fact i think the IOC could lose any hope for anyone wanting to bid for 2030 if Russia are not expelled permanently from international sports. 
 

Surley Rusda knew yesterday the IOC would appeal. Maybe that was the plain. Politically it suits Putin for it be dealt with by non Russians not Rusda. 

They have two to four (depending on how real you think the Barcelona and Vancouver bids are) solid bids already lined up. 2030 won't be an issue at all.

[pdr4332 149]

Problem is:

 

This could be influenced two ways:

 

1./ Internal change inside the Russian system - this is impossible as only the athletes concerned could initiate it (no one else in Russia is interested in terminating Russia's doping policies) and they either don't want to jeopardize their own position (life is unhappy, brutish and short in Putinist Russia unless you are rich & famous) or if they do, they will be sidelined as they are only objects in order to attain the greater goal - glory to Mother Russia

 

2./ Enough other country athletes / sponsors make a fuss that they are not willing to compete / sponsor if Russian doping is not sorted out. This is a typical coordination problem from game theory - they could make a difference if they acted together in a coordinated way but for several reasons this is unlikely to happen.

 

Given the fact that the Olympics are overseen by an organisation that is world leading in corruption & hipocrisy (the IOC) the most likely solution is some kind of "muddling through" - maybe Russia is warned that they will be punished real hard if they don't sort out doping by 2024 - and then nothing happens.

 

Sorry for Valieva though, she is a really talented young athlete, too bad she is used this way for power political purposes.

[Orangehair43 172]

6 minutes ago, pdr4332 said:

Problem is:

 

This could be influenced two ways:

 

1./ Internal change inside the Russian system - this is impossible as only the athletes concerned could initiate it (no one else in Russia is interested in terminating Russia's doping policies) and they either don't want to jeopardize their own position (life is unhappy, brutish and short in Putinist Russia unless you are rich & famous) or if they do, they will be sidelined as they are only objects in order to attain the greater goal - glory to Mother Russia

 

2./ Enough other country athletes / sponsors make a fuss that they are not willing to compete / sponsor if Russian doping is not sorted out. This is a typical coordination problem from game theory - they could make a difference if they acted together in a coordinated way but for several reasons this is unlikely to happen.

 

Given the fact that the Olympics are overseen by an organisation that is world leading in corruption & hipocrisy (the IOC) the most likely solution is some kind of "muddling through" - maybe Russia is warned that they will be punished real hard if they don't sort out doping by 2024 - and then nothing happens.

 

Sorry for Valieva though, she is a really talented young athlete, too bad she is used this way for power political purposes.

Maybe the IOC should simply say they won’t recognise any court judgements that overturn full bans for Russians and will simply deny the, entry. 

[Orangehair43 172]

23 minutes ago, NearPup said:

They have two to four (depending on how real you think the Barcelona and Vancouver bids are) solid bids already lined up. 2030 won't be an issue at all.

It will the way the IOC is going.