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Some info about the 2030 long track issue. One (new) option could be to use a temporary track in an already existing hall somewhere (anywhere really) and then reuse it as a training facility up into the mountains with limited costs for the french speed track program (which is currently being reinstalled by the roller sports federation).

IMO, this would be the best case scenario as a permanent long track rink sounds very much like a dead option (who would want on its territory a huge infrastructure guaranteed to run at a multi-millions loss every year ?)

10 hours ago, Olympian1010 said:

 participation question will definitely be the forefront of LA28 headlines if lacrosse is approved by the IOC Session.

They are really pushing their luck... First, introducing a sport (or sports) that is (are) nowhere near deserving to be at the olympics for apparently local political reasons, then letting the athletes cap goes wild without concerns for future hosts and now asking for breaking the nation-states basis of participation. 
 

God, I wish IOC tells them to fuck off with their silly ideas (not going to happen obv).

43 minutes ago, mpjmcevoy said:

Rugby League nine's wouldn't bother me, despite it being unlikely Ireland would get in. The Rugby League World Cup is a niche event, but the international game exists. The better comparison would be Flag AFL, or Dublin hosting a game and reinstruding Gaelic football 9's or Hurling. Actually, lacrosse, hurling...

 

You'd love hurling though. Only sport in the world actively designed for psycopathy.

AFL doesn't even have a proper World Cup. It's a world festival or something without an australien team.

All these sports were and would be perfectly fine as demo sports as we used to have. 

4 minutes ago, NearPup said:

Local politics coming into play is sort of an inevitable consequence of allowing the host organizer to pick some additional sports. Especially when presumably there was some quid pro quo wrt adding cricket, a sport that was obviously not *really* picked by the LA organizers.

I don't see local politics in play with Tokyo and Paris choices. Not to the same degree anyway.

Everyone were ok with Tokyo additional sport, they were borderline olympic sports that made sense in a japanese context. Since then, it has been a mess. I guess RL nine is a lock for 2032 

6 hours ago, mpjmcevoy said:

The key is Lacrosse is an indigenous sport in the US, and North America - in a way even flag football and basketball are not. There are major political benefits, potentially, to including a sport like that. 

 

 

That's local politics, which should not be IOC concerns. If IOC validates such a weak international sport, that would be a travesty of the olympic universal ideals.

I had a look at some Lacrosse numbers. Australia is by large the 3rd biggest Lacrosse country in the world with less than 5.000 registered players. I'd be surprised if there are more than 10.000 players worldwide besides the US and Canada. What an amazing deserving olympic sport.

Hopefully, this shit was their

moment for many. Hopefully.

2 hours ago, El Analyzer said:

I have some thoughts but could be totally wrong:

• Team sports (which is my favourite sports outside the Olympics) are the most boring sports in the program
• Spending 90 min watching two teams trying to finish a game 0/0 or watching 7 sports in the same duration (I’d go for the latter)
• Why IOC not adding to each program a sport which could add to the medal tally of the small nations, It would be more fair imho to get (for example)   on the medal table 
• Karate is a repeat of similar Martial arts Olympic sports, would it be more fair to have 2 out of karate, Taekwondo and Judo each Olympics and keep rotating? Kickboxing can be added too
• Similar for squash why not rotating with badminton and table tennis
• Breaking is not a sport with all respect, otherwise Salsa and Tango should be included
• Boxing, weightlifting and modern pentathlon are part of Olympic heritage, can’t believe they could be excluded (but each of them needs to work on some internal issues)
• Golf at Olympics, I would be surprised to see between each 100 persons one is watching it at Olympics!

We are not talking about the CWGs, these sports are built around the Olympics, you simply can't have any of them on a rotation basis. And really, Judo on rotation ?

The issue with martial arts is quite simple anyway, we have the wrong one  Taekwondo should never have been an olympic sport to begin with. Without TWD, Karate would have entered the program at some point in the 90's and absolute no one would have asked for the introduction of TWD after.

31 minutes ago, SalamAkhi said:

Mouai. L'impression que certains ont bien senti le coup du retour olympique pour mettre en place une petite cagnotte des familles 

Après on voit fleurir des "incroyable quand même que untel doive lancer une cagnotte". Bah non, surtout pas quand tu as pris ta retraite un an avant avec la bagatelle de 0 participation en grand championnat international estival. Après bonne chance à Fred Dagée, qui serait déjà parti de loin sans retraite, et qui va devoir réapparaitre dans les rankings ex nihilo. Il a intérêt à enchainer les bonnes perfs rapidement ... ça sent un peu l'habituel retour annoncé et dont on n'entend plus trop parler ensuite. Allez j'arrête la mauvaise langue 

Une stagiaire à France TV pourra en tirer un article et au moins 12 likes. C'est déjà ça de pris.

2 hours ago, Dragon said:

LA 2028 organisers (LA28) are understood to be willing to accommodate cricket in return for “flag football” — a non-contact version of American football where players are tackled by having Velcro tags removed — being included as well.

 

What a load of BS... Originally, the additional sports - who were part of the Agenda 2020 program whose sole purpose was to cut costs for the hosts - were a neat idea on paper. They were supposedly be a net-postive for the host using local sports popularity to ease the pain of hosting. Now LA, will have to build a freaking dam cricket stadium somewhere.

It was never reported, but it's also very easy to assume Breaking entry for 2024 was IOC Bach's idea and only his.

Basically, these additional sports have been turn into a way of expanding the olympic program and adding new sports, potentially huge cash makers for the organisation, without the political cost of dropping other established olympic sports.

3 hours ago, Gianlu33 said:

Host sports are not included in the 10.500 quotas

They are for 2024. But if we are talking about 2 or 3 team sports for 2028, they probably won't be.

https://stadion-actu.fr/athletisme-frederic-dagee-reprend-sa-carriere-et-reve-des-jo-de-paris-2024/

1 hour ago, intoronto said:

Where are the quotas going to come for. We are going to have like 4 entries for some events

Unless, they have changed the rules again. And the additional sports don't count in the 10,500 athletes limit.

How many athletes do you need to run two 6-teams cricket tournaments ?

47 minutes ago, El Analyzer said:

Exactly, athletes quotas is the main concern, IOC wants to cap the entries but keeping unversality.

 

my personal feeling that IOC doesn't care so much, revenue is important of course but just feeling bad for athletes in other sports who deserve to be olympians 

And also athletes in established olympic disciplines who are cut because of the quotas limitation (I'm strongly thinking about canoeing slalom here)

Honestly, there is little you can do with the current cap of 10,500 athletes and the olympic program as it is. You can tweek it a bit, but really, just a bit.

3 minutes ago, NearPup said:

Does France prefer Baseball or Cricket? Maybe they would naturalize a bunch of Quebecois for an Olympic baseball tournament the next time Paris hosts?

Definitely cricket, we have a silver medal to take back 

2 hours ago, mpjmcevoy said:

If cricket and baseball rotated beginning LA 28 baseball, Brisbane 32 Cricket, India might be able to line up a 2040 Games bid, knowing they'll have cricket, and the humongous money making crowds such a tournament would bring.

So basically a forever rotation between North America / Japan and former british colonies. That's a fantastic idea.

16 hours ago, heywoodu said:

Lol.

Is there much 'lol' regarding whatever Jumbo is currently doing in the lower countries. Just curious.

21 minutes ago, Fly_like_a_don said:

Rowing has to be one of the least competitive sports to be part of Olympics. Europeans might not like it but yeah it should be cut down to just 4 or 5 events per gender.  Surely over 100 non Olympic sports exist which have a more competitive field than rowing. 

Please do list them. 

Just now, Benolympique said:

Pour cela il va falloir gagner des coupes du monde car au ranking Clouvel est au delà de la 30eme place 

Il n'y a pas que Clouvel, et on devrait repêcher au tour de la 30e place mondiale. Pas besoin de gagner des CDM pour ça. Après avec le niveau qu'elle affiche actuellement...

12 minutes ago, Styrka said:

Je ne suis absolument rien au pentathlon, mais depuis qu'ils ont changé leurs règles suite à la polémique de l'équitation, j'ai l'impression que les francais(e)s ont bien baissé au terme de niveau non ? 

Ca a l'air pas mal aléatoire aussi. Par exemple, Valentin Prades vainqueur d'une CDM en mai et 27e ce we 

Pour ce qui est des quotas, on a un garçon (Prades) et une fille (Oteiza) qualifiés. A moins d'un podium aux prochains mondiaux en juin prochain, il faudra suivre le ranking olympique (une douzaine de qualifiés sans doute).

Mondiaux de Tir

 Mondiaux de Pentathlon

Mondiaux de Canoë/Kayak

Not...

- K2 500 F

- C2 500 H

Prochaine étape, l'Aviron à partir du 3 septembre.

Après cette magnifique médaille d'argent, je déclare ce désastreux mois d'aout d'agonie officiellement terminé avec 4 jours d'avance.

17 minutes ago, Benolympique said:

Hélas il rejoins celui de l'athlétisme ....

 

Des chances de qualifier d'autres embarcations ?

Je serais beaucoup moins critique sur celui de l'athlétisme qui affronte une concurrence internationale toute autre et dont l'équipe dirigeante actuelle n'est pas responsable de la classe creuse (25-30 ans).

Sinon, le C2 dames peut-être ?

A Tokyo, Cyrille Carré (non sélectionné à la dernière minute) avait pondu un coup de gueule contre le fonctionnement de sa fédération.

Il me semble, que tous ceux en poste à l'époque, le sont encore aujourd'hui.

On peut aussi évoquer le récent cas Denis Gargaud. Entre le déclin très certain du slalom et le néant en sprint, le bilan de cette fédé sur ces dernières années est désespérant.