Makedonas

On 4/21/2024 at 1:22 PM, Makedonas said:

So far a disaster for us with Maramenidis being the only one in a qualifying place right now, though Papadakos, Panagiotidis, Kokkalanis, Papadopoulou/Paschalidis, Spanaki/Spanakis are all currently very close...

Well things are somewhat looking better now, as Kokkalanis (and Tsortanidis although in the same event so we can only have one make it to Paris), and Spanaki/Spanakis are now in qualifying positions, in addition to Maramenidis.

Really a shame we will probably miss out on the ILCA 7 quota after Papadakos won it in February at the qualification regatta we hosted, when our federation decided to hold an extra race (despite it not being necessary) and he ended up losing the quota in that last race. Also I'm not sure why Papadimitriou isn't competing here as I thought he was our best sailor in this class but generally his results were poor lately compared to Panagiotidis and Papadakos.

Women's iQFoil is very disappointing but not surprising. The girls really struggled to transition from RS:X, and I really thought Divari would do better considering she qualified for Tokyo as a 20 yo.

Men's 49er is disappointing too. Kagialis will miss the Olympics for the first time since London, and at his age this is probably the end for him.

And ILCA 6, no words really on the Karachaliou situation, but it seems like she won't be able to compete for Portugal either.

What an absolute JOKE that we are not sending our women's 4x100 team! I really thought they had a chance of making it to the Olympics, especially given how well a few of the young girls did in the indoor season. It seems pretty clear that our SB from last year will be easily surpassed this year as long as we have no major injuries.

And regardless they should've gone, it would've been a good experience for the girls and in 2028 we should have an even better chance of qualifying...

Entries for the European qualifier:

https://worldrowing.com/event/2024-world-rowing-european-olympic-and-paralympic-qualification-regatta/

So far a disaster for us with Maramenidis being the only one in a qualifying place right now, though Papadakos, Panagiotidis, Kokkalanis, Papadopoulou/Paschalidis, Spanaki/Spanakis are all currently very close...

10 minutes ago, hckošice said:

Bratislava host this week the Development Cup.

 

is returning to ice hockey @Makedonas @Ted

 

 

I know there were some efforts to bring diaspora Greeks together but I'm not sure what happened. I haven't heard about this in about 10 years. There were always some players with Greek origins in the NHL.

I just did some research and there still are:

23 yo Trevor Zegras of the Anaheim Ducks, born in New York to Greek parents

29 yo Andreas Athanasiou of the Chicago Blackhawks, born in Toronto to a Greek father and Guyanese mother

There's also Steven Stamkos of the Tampa Bay Lightning, who is a very successful player and already played for Canada so would not be eligible for Greece. However, his family does not even identify as Greek despite his surname and his father's side being from Florina (border town of  and , the town has a complicated history from the Greek Civil War which I will not bore you with).

Anyways I'm sure there are more Greeks from USA and Canada in lower levels of hockey who would be willing to play for the national team if needed. Hopefully an effort is made so we can be competitive.

On 4/18/2024 at 4:19 PM, MatiReimundo said:

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Womens ILCA7 - 3 quotas (+1 Emerging Nations Program)

 

Low Chances:

 

   

 

How is this possible? Is it still unknown what happens with Karachaliou's quota, as Greece hasn't "agreed" to let her represent Portugal?

Wow, I was really expecting Filtisakou/Papamichail to take a quota here. Disappointing, though both should still get in via ranking for the individual events...

Sad for PAOK, but great for Olympiacos to advance! 

Especially great to do it against a horrible person like Dzeko 

2024 European Youth Boxing Championships:

GOLD:

Panagiota Kouzilou (Women's -57 kg)

SILVER:

Ourania Kantzari (Women's -54 kg)

BRONZE:

Anna-Maria Trifylli (Women's -48 kg)

Maria Georgopoulou (Women's -50 kg)

2024 Billie Jean King Cup Europe/Africa Group I:

Greece 2 - 1 Sweden

Despina Papamichail GRE d. Kajsa Rinaldo Persson SWE 6-4 6-4

Caijsa Wilda Hennemann SWE d. Valentini Grammatikopoulou GRE 6-4 3-6 6-4

Valentini Grammatikopoulou/Despina Papamichail GRE d. Caijsa Wilda Hennemann/Kajsa Rinaldo Persson SWE 6-4 7-5

Greece 1-2 Serbia

Aleksandra Krunic SRB d. Despina Papamichail GRE 6-0 6-3

Mia Ristic SRB d. Valentini Grammatikopoulou GRE 2-6 6-4 6-1

Despina Papamichail/Maria Sakkari GRE d. Elena Milovanovic/Lola Radivojevic SRB 4-6 6-3 10-8

Greece 3-0 Norway

Valentini Grammatikopoulou GRE d. Emily Sartz-Lunde NOR 6-3 2-6 6-4

Maria Sakkari GRE d. Malene Helgo NOR 7-5 6-0

Martha Matoula/Despina Papamichail GRE d. Matylda Burylo/Emily Sartz-Lunde NOR 6-0 6-4

Greece 3-0 Latvia

Valentini Grammatikopoulou GRE d. Daniela Vismane LAT 6-0 7-5

Maria Sakkari GRE d. Darja Semenistaja LAT 6-0 7-5

Martha Matoula/Despina Papamichail GRE d. Adelina Lachinova/Jelena Ostapenko LAT 6-4 3-6 10-8

Greece 1-2 Denmark

Johanne Christine Svendsen DEN d. Valentini Grammatikopoulou GRE 7-6(4) 4-6 6-3

Clara Tauson DEN d. Maria Sakkari GRE 6-4 6-4

Despina Papamichail/Maria Sakkari GRE d. Laura Brunkel/Rebecca Munk Mortensen DEN 6-1 6-1

To be honest I don't think it is fair to say this and put the asterisk, though Italian fans crying on social media are trying their best to tell us Tsitsipas didn't deserve to win (as if Sinner hasn't won anything lately and this was his only chance).

There was also a point early in the third set where the umpire made a big mistake against Tsitsipas which resulted in him getting broken in the first place. Also Sinner could've stopped the point to have the umpire check the mark (I understand it is a risk for him but he had the option) while Tsitsipas did not have the option in the point where he was robbed (linesperson erroneously called Sinner's shot out while Tsitsipas was hitting the ball, which went out, and the umpire said it was after Tsitsipas hit it when the replay clearly shows it was before).

Also at the end of the day Sinner still wasted a 4-2 lead and lost 4 games in a row to lose 4-6, and as you said he was cramping, it's not Tsitsipas' fault that Sinner struggled with the conditions, and Tsitsipas has a very good record against Sinner in the past, especially on slow courts like this one.

Disappointing week for Greece in Europe Group I, finished second in our group (beat Sweden 2-1 and Norway 3-0 but lost 2-1 to Serbia where Sakkari only played doubles...), then advanced to the next group where we needed to beat Latvia and Denmark to get promoted. Got the job done 3-0 against Latvia (Ostapenko only played doubles), and then lost 2-1 to Denmark (without Wozniacki).

Pretty disappointing in the end. Tauson played an incredible match to beat Sakkari, and Grammatikopoulou lost to Svendsen who is ranked in the 500s. I am not sure why Papamichail didn't play in such an important match instead of Grammatikopoulou who was mediocre all week, and also Papamichail is more stable but congrats to the Danish girls for pulling off big upsets in both singles matches @Wumo@Agger

Maria 

Hopefully she can qualify next month, but now she's had 4 quota matches and lost all of them (2023 World Championships semifinal, then bronze match, then Olympic quota match, now semifinal here...). She is 31 yo and planning to retire in Paris, which would be her 4th Olympics, hopefully she can make it there 

Of course she will be a big favourite for one of the last quotas, and also we don't know what will happen with RUS and BLR who each have a quota in her category already...

Fencing (1)

Theodora Gkountoura (women's sabre)

18 hours ago, Adriano said:

many great sailors / judokas and other athletes could say something like this, because has only 1 place per NOC.

Yes but in those sports there is always only 1 athlete per NOC, whereas in fencing you can either have 1 or have 3, but you can't have 2. So it's not the same situation.

Well, Georgiadou seems to have gotten a lot of attention with her post, maybe it'll be like our women's water polo team's NQ in 2012 as 2011 World Championships which caused a change in the qualification system for the future  of course it's a shame they always seem to come at Greece's expense though 

Thanks @hckošice, weren't the 2020 ones played without fans though?

2 minutes ago, Josh said:

In judo,  Jessica Klimkait has won bronze medals at the last two World Championships in women’s 57kg, and is #2 in the OQR (approximately 2700 points ahead of #3 Gjakova) but due to the one judoka per NOC rule there’s a possibility that she might not even qualify. Right now, she’s in a fierce internal selection battle with Christa Deguchi, who’s the reigning World Champion, and current #1 in the OQR (approximately 1500 points ahead of #2 Klimkait)
 

Judo Canada has yet to select their athlete though, so they could still pick Klimkait over Deguchi. 
 

Judo Canada Olympic Selection Criteria

Highest Finish at 2022 Worlds (1 pt) - Klimkait

Highest Finish at 2023 Worlds (2 pts) - Deguchi

Highest Finish at 2024 Worlds (2 pts) - TBD

Olympic Ranking (2 pts) - likely will be Deguchi

Now that you mention it there are probably a few other examples in sports like wrestling, judo, etc. where only 1 athlete per NOC is allowed no matter what (unlike fencing where you can either have 1 or 3 but not 2...)

Also last thing I will say for now (sorry for spamming this topic) is that a fencing medal could really change the sport in Greece and bring more attention and sponsors, so that makes it frustrating that we have two serious medal contenders but only one can compete.

@phelps gave the great example of Italy in 2016 and that is pretty insane, and I don't want to "play the victim" but for us it means so much more in a way because fencing is so irrelevant in our country, and it feels like we are being denied the chance to make it relevant, while Italian fencing for example is so strong and historic that for them to experience this too is just such a different scenario.

In Tokyo we had high expectations for Gkountoura and she crashed out in the first round, hopefully she can do better here...

Also so many of Georgiadou's rivals and also other notable fencers from other weapons commented on the posts, and many people are saying FIE should give her a wildcard, and that the system is unfair, and I approximately half of these people asking for wildcards are not even Greeks, so it's not just the case of "biased fans"

11 hours ago, Pasolini said:

and i don't get how a country with 2 of the 5 best athletes in the world can't get a reasonable team. 

10 hours ago, intoronto said:

This is the question I have too.

Maybe @Makedonascan explain

Our top two fencers are in the top 5 but our third girl is ranked 147 and then after that our next girl is 227. We are not a big fencing country, so it's actually a miracle that we have two girls somehow in the top 5. We have Kontochristopoulou in the women's foil ranked 86. No one else in any weapon or gender is top 100 (special shout out though to 18 yo Garyfallou who is ranked 102 in the women's foil ).

The sport has grown since 2004 slowly I guess. I mean, I don't personally know anyone who has ever competed in fencing even at an amateur/recreational level unlike other sports, so I can't speak much about it, but since 2004 we had Vougiouka, Gkountoura, and Georgiadou all very successful, so the federation must be doing something right because for decades we won no medals and rarely qualified any fencers to the Olympics.

As @phelps said, it is very hard to qualify as a European team.

Our team made a serious effort the last few years and are ranked 12th which is much better than they were before this Olympic cycle but still they are very far from the top 5/6, and let's not forget this is without Russia who won gold at in Tokyo in the team event!

Georgiadou seems like she will stay on until Los Angeles at least, she will be 37 yo. Gkountoura will be 31 so it's not a problem for her. The issue is finding a third fencer, though 15 yo Kourousi and 21 yo Mavrikaki have had some promising results (especially Kourousi for her age) so hopefully we can get a "decent" third sabre fencer and make a push to qualify for Los Angeles.

I was saying for the past few years we should try to bring Vougiouka out of retirement, she was top 5 or so for some years and retired after Rio at 30 yo which is not that old in fencing, but it obviously never happened for Tokyo or Paris so I can't see it happening for Los Angeles, the more that time passes the less likely a comeback will be...

11 hours ago, Jur said:

I'm sad for her but the post is giving sore loser. And she knew about the qualification process years in advanced, nothing is new.

I don't think she was ever claiming the process is new or that she didn't expect it, because she was clearly familiar with this format as the number one Greek always qualified via ranking whether it was Vougiouka in 2016 or Gkountoura in 2020 and 2024. She wasn't ranked as high in those other ones but for 2020 she would've been one of the favourites at the continental qualification event but wasn't eligible to compete as Greece already had one quota via ranking.

Gkountoura also gave an interview recently and said it is unlucky for Georgiadou.

But for example can someone tell me in what other sport does someone who wins medals at World Championships in both 2022 and 2023 not qualify for Paris 2024?

11 hours ago, Pasolini said:

Sad for her, but I don't get the whole idea of "let's change the system because of one specific case".

 

The Olympics is also about have more nations represented. Having said that, I would like to see a bigger fencing draw, like 48? And then we could have a rule of "if you are in top10 you can have 2 individual athletes qualified", like in Badminton for instance or tennis doubles

Or what about letting her compete in the European qualification tournament? It could be like shooting where you can't get more than one quota per qualification event (at least I think that is the rule in shooting, I'm sure @phelps knows better than me).

8 hours ago, copravolley said:

It`s true that the current play-off system is brutal and not very fair. The old system with a match and a rematch was better.

I am not saying this is why we lost, we should always be able to win against a team like Georgia, who aside from their goalkeeper and Kvaratskhelia have mostly players who play for small clubs, I mean one of their defenders on Tuesday night plays for Panetolikos, which is one of the worst teams in the Greek Super League.

We would never in a million years have a player in our starting 11 from a bottom table Greek club like that, yet here we are losing to a team that does...

I agree the old system was better, I'm sure you know because Italy was also a victim of this format for 2022, but if anything maybe the matches should be at a neutral location instead of giving one team the home advantage? I'm curious to see statistics on how many home teams advanced since they implemented this new system.