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Provisional quota for the men's 500m after 7/8 races (my calculation, might have mistakes):
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Reserve list in order:
Nil Llop got disqualified in race 7 unfortunately, but one chance left to qualify.
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3 hours ago, heywoodu said:
Nearly all of the top Dutch skaters have gone home to prepare for the OQT around Christmas, so they'll skip Calgary. This is done under the assumption the maximum number of quota are already certain, with the men's mass start (although Jorrit Bergsma went home as well) and the women's 3k as exceptions.
Very risky, I have a feeling we’ll lose some quotas because of this decision.
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I’m sad
is currently not in. Nil Llop is one of the most talented youngsters out there and skated sub-35 on the 500m as a junior which is impressive.
These World Cups have been so competitive though with 45 skaters having a season best time under 35.00. He’s currently first reserve, so I’m hoping he will make it by skating another PB in Calgary.
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1 hour ago, Belle said:
Is Van der Poel qualified for 5000 and 10000 now?
Yes, 100%
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6 minutes ago, stepansevs said:
I do not understand results of Mass start women. Zdráhalova was better than Peschtein in semifinal, but Peschtein is in final and Zdráhalova not.
Do you know why?
Thank you
Maybe she withdrew, maybe the start list for the final is incomplete as there are 19 skaters mentioned on the start list while 10 per semi-final qualify.
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24 minutes ago, Belle said:
When do we know all qualified skaters? When will we know if Van der Poel is qualified for men’s 5000 and 10000?
On December 13th we should be 99,9% certain as the final World Cup that counts towards the Olympic Qualification Rankings will finish on December 12th. Everything will be official by December 24th when the ISU will publish it's final provisional quota list. NOCs have to confirm these quotas by January 16th.
However, on the 10k Van der Poel is already 100% certain as the qualification works as follows:
- The top 8 in the combined World Cup standings over 5k and 10k after the first 4 World Cup weekends will qualify directly with a maximum of 2 per NOC
- The remaining skaters can qualify by skating one of the 4 fastest times over 10k during one of the 4 first World Cup weekends (with no more than 2 quota in total through option 1 and 2 combined per NOC).
Nils will most likely qualify through option 1. However, the only 10k skated during the first 4 World Cup weekends was skated last week and he obliterated the competition by finishing more than 17 seconds in front of #2. So if some miracle happens and he will fall outside of the top 8 in the World Cup standings, he will always qualify based on time.
On the 5k, he is 99,9% certain as the top 14 in the World Cup standings as of mid December will qualify. He is currently ranked #1 with 120 points. In previous seasons, somewhere between 105 - 115 points was sufficient to be in the top 14 after 4 World Cup weekends. If a miracle happens and he falls outside of the top 14, he can still qualify based on time. Besides the top 14, 6 additional skaters will qualify based on season best times skated during a World Cup. Nils currently leads that time ranking, but a 5k will be skated in both Salt Lake City and Calgary, which are the fastest 2 tracks in the world.
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Does anyone know how this rule works (D.2.4)? Can women's quota be re-allocated to men if the total number of allocated event quota places confirmed by NOCs on the women's side is less than 83? I can't find such a thing mentioned in the qualification documents, but this rule only mentions a maximum number of 166 quota places, not the 83 places per gender.
I think the total quota that will be confirmed by the NOCs on the women's side will not exceed the maximum qualification places of 83 per gender as there are many skaters who are likely to be confirmed by their NOC for more than 1 distance. For example, if the qualification period would end today, the following skaters would get 4 quotas for their NOC:
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Zueva
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Blondin
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Zdrahalova
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Lollobrigida
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Schouten
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Mei
with another 17 skaters who are currently in a qualifying position for 3 distances. Only 35 female skaters are currently in a qualifying position for a singular distance.
However, on the men's side only
Swings will qualify on 4 distances and four skaters on 3 distances, whereas 60 different skaters are currently ranked high enough to qualify for only 1 distance. Therefore, I can't imagine a situation in which 83 quota will be sufficient.
QuoteIf the acknowledged provisionally allocated event quota places confirmed by NOCs indicate that the total maximum number of 166 quota places is exceeded, the maximum number of quota places for individual events/distances will be reduced by revoking the provisionally allocated quota from the lowest ranked athlete.
Provisionally allocated quotas will be revoked from each of the following events/distances according to the following order:
- 500m
- then 1000m
- then 1500m
This process will be repeated until the total quota of 166 for the sport is met and may result in the affected NOCs losing some provisionally allocated quota places for the event(s)/distance(s) concerned with possible effects on their overall quota.
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14 hours ago, NearPup said:
D2.1: “A maximum event quota of three (3) athletes will only be provisionally allocated in the case that the NOC has three (3) athletes placed in the top 20 (500m, 1000m, 1500m) or top 14 (Women's 3000m & Men's 5000m) in the respective event’s SOQC.”
D2.5: “For NOCs having a third (3rd) ranked athlete placed between the positions of 21 and 30 in the 500m, 1000m, 1500m distances or between the positions of 15 and 20 for Women 3000m and Men 5000m, these athletes will be placed in the reserve list of quota places in accordance with the SOQC rank of the athlete.”
Either the ISU changed the qualification rules, the quota simulation they published is wrong or they are taking into account countries needing to decline quotas due to entry times not being reached (no idea if that would explain the discrepancy).
Let's hope their quota simulation is wrong, because the qualification rules we both used for our own simulations are the rules that are still available on the website of the ISU and you cannot change the rules this late into the season:
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45 minutes ago, NearPup said:
Ya, it causes my script to calculate who is in a qualifying position to get way too complicated D:
Haha, I have the same issue. I made some errors, I noticed.
But I agree, guys like Christian Oberbichler shouldn't be at the Olympics if you want the best skaters to be there, as they would probably finish last by at least half a second.
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5 hours ago, Vic Liu said:
I am not sure if China team pursuit got provisional quota despite of DQ. But I tend to think we are provisionally qualified based on my own interpretation of the document. I think as long as we are on top 11 (8 qualified teams + 3 reserve list teams) then we are qualified. Since there are only 11 teams registered so China is qualified for sure. I am eager to know others' thought about it and below is the qualification document and the relevant part.
D.2.2 If the host country does not earn at least two (2) quota places in the 500m, 1000m, 1500m, Mass Start (Women and Men), 3000m Women and 5000m Men and at least one (1) quota place in the 5000m Women and 10000m Men in D.2.1 but it has athletes who are placed in the respective events/distances Reserve List (as per D.2.5), for each individual event concerned the host country will be allocated event quota places considering also athletes ranked in the Reserve list, up to a maximum of two (2) athletes in the 500m, 1000m, 1500m, Mass Start (Women and Men), 3000m Women and 5000m Men and one (1) quota place in the 5000m Women and 10000m Men. For each of the Team Pursuit events the host country will be allocated an event quota place also in the case that the host country is only ranked in a Reserve list position.
D.2.5 Reserve List When the maximum total of quota places for an event/distance (as specified above) has been reached, the next SOQC positions per event/distance will constitute a reserve list of quota places. For each of the individual events/distances the reserve list consists of eight (8) reserve quota places. For each of the Team Pursuit events the reserve list consists of three (3) reserve quota places.
Yes, you are right. China just needs to finish and not get disqualified during any of the following World Cup events. Right now they’re not on the reserve list as they have 0 points and no valid best time.
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2 minutes ago, intoronto said:
So 27 NOCs with two one spot out of qualification and Austria likely to qualify if Herzog returns
Yes,
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and 
are barely in though.
and 
should make it, but they're far from sure yet. So let's see what will happen.
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According to my calculations these are the provisional quota's per NOC after World Cup 1 out of 4:
Men:
NOC Max # of different skaters 500m 1.000m 1.500m 3.000m 5.000m Mass Start Team Pursuit 4 1 1 1 1 5 2 1 1 1 8 3 3 3 2 2 1 3 7 3 2 2 3 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 1 1 
3 1 2 2 1 1 7 2 2 1 1 1 1 8 2 1 1 2 1 1 3 7 3 3 3 1 1 3 4 2 1 1 7 2 3 2 1 3 1 1 9 3 3 3 3 2 2 3 8 2 2 3 2 2 1 3 2 1 1 7 2 2 2 2 
7 2 2 2 3 2 2 
3 1 1 
2 1 1 
1 1 7 1 2 2 2 2 3 *10.000m ranking is purely based on current combined World Cup standings over 5.000m/10.000m. Next week, the only 10.000m will be skated.
Total maximum number of different skaters is now 114, though only 83 different skaters per gender may start.
Reserves per distance (in order):
500m:
1.000m:
1.500m:
5.000m:
Mass Start:
Team Pursuit:
currently first reserve on two distances. As long as I can remember, they've always qualified multiple skaters, so it would be a pity to see them missing out. I'm also hoping for Gabriel Odor to qualify on the men's 1.500m and/or mass start. also just outside of the qualifying spots
only 2 skaters currently ranked high enough for a direct quotum on the 500m, which is probably the biggest surprise. .
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According to my calculations these are the provisional quota's per NOC after World Cup 1 out of 4:
Women:
NOC Max # of different skaters 500m 1.000m 1.500m 3.000m 5.000m Mass Start Team Pursuit 1 1 3 1 1 1 7 1 1 2 1 1 3 8 2 2 2 3 2 2 3 7 2 3 2 2 1 2 7 1 2 2 1 2 3 1 1 1 7 2 2 2 1 4 1 1 1 1 8 3 2 3 2 2 2 3 6 1 1 2 1 1 7 2 2 1 2 9 3 3 3 3 2 2 3 6 1 1 1 1 1 3 7 2 2 2 2 3 8 3 3 3 2 1 2 3 
2 1 1 2 1 1 3 1 1 1 7 3 2 2 1 2 3 *5.000m ranking is purely based on current combined World Cup standings over 3.000m/5.000m. Next week, the only 5.000m will be skated.
Total maximum number of different skaters is now 112, though only 83 different skaters per gender may start. However, many countries will probably let several skaters skate multiple distances, i.e.
will use only Sablikova and Zdrahalova (and maybe Kursova) to fill their 7 quota.
Reserves per distance (in order):
500m:
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Mass Start:
Team Pursuit:
is the biggest country missing as Vanessa Herzog is injured. Hopefully she'll return in December to secure her spot.
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Great race and a great winner indeed. Great gold medal for
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Congrats to Japan!
Who will replace them in next week's tournament?
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Women's 3.000m provisional quota before the B-Group has been skated. The B-Group will be skated after midnight, and I won't stay up for that: