Dennis

1 minute ago, NearPup said:

This is very bad for Kramer's Olympic chances

Kramer will go. They will give him a spot for the team pursuit if he doesn't qualify based on the matrix. That's what I think. 

1 minute ago, heywoodu said:

Verbij messed up his start in the second race (possible back problem), Ntab came up shy to beat him or Scheperkamp. So there we go. Scheperkamp is basically sure, Verbij should be quite sure considering there's the 1000m to go, Ntab will have to wait.

 

 

Men					Women
Selection order	Distance	Rank at OQT	Athlete		Selection order	Distance	Rank at OQT	Athlete
1	1.000	1			1	5.000	1
2	5.000	1	Patrick Roest		2	MS	1
3	1.500	1			3	3.000	1	Irene Schouten
4	1.000	2			4	3.000	2	Antoinette de Jong
5	10.000	1			5	500	1
6	MS	1			6	1.000	1	Jutta Leerdam
7	1.500	2			7	1.500	1
8	500	1	Merijn Scheperkamp		8	5.000	2
9	1.000	3			9	1.500	2
10	1.500	3			10	1.000	2	Antoinette de Jong
11	5.000	2	Jorrit Bergsma		11	3.000	3	Carlijn Achtereekte
12	10.000	2			12	1.500	3
13	500	2	Kai Verbij		13	1.000	3	Ireen Wüst
14	5.000	3	Sven Kramer		14	500	2
15	500	3	Dai Dai Ntab		15	500	3

Verbij finished 3rd, N'tab 2nd. 

Scheperkamp! 

4 minutes ago, Dennis said:

Carlijn Achtereekte leads the 3.000m by 0.01 in front of youngster Merel Conijn with one pair to go. 

 

Conijn might miss the Olympics on 0.01. 

This happened. 

Schouten, De Jong and Achtereekte are the top 3. 

Carlijn Achtereekte leads the 3.000m by 0.01 in front of youngster Merel Conijn with one pair to go. 

Conijn might miss the Olympics on 0.01. 

We’ve just unwrapped our Christmas presents, now we’re watching speed skating with the family before having Christmas dinner together. Typical Dutch Christmas 

This is looking good for Kramer 

Edit: spoke too soon. Snellink! 

1 minute ago, heywoodu said:

Considering it's his second-fastest time ever, I don't think it is  

 

Immediate advantage of Jumbo's 'super suits'?  

Hahaha, you're right. Speedskatingresults.com was throwing me off. 

https://speedskatingresults.com/index.php?p=3&e=24596&r=20003

Could be the suits, or maybe he's finally found a way to be in his best shape in the second half of the season. 

Patrick Roest skated a 3:35 on a 3.000m during a training competition in Heerenveen.

That looks like a world record to me, but I'm not sure. 

On 12/18/2021 at 11:34 PM, NearPup said:

@heywoodudoes it look like the new COVID restrictions in will affect the Olympic trials?

I'm not @heywoodu, but I can answer this too. 

Professional sports can continue, but without spectators. So the trials will be held, just in an empty skating hall.

EDIT: Sorry, for some reason I totally missed the posts on this page and did not notice heywoodu had already replied.  

He still lost though 

3 minutes ago, ruben said:

I hope Nil Llop can get a chance…

In 2018. Norway gave up an event quota in the men's 500m and the quota from Russia were taken away because of the doping scandal. Four reserves replaced them. So keep your hopes up. 

Just now, ruben said:

Any of you think that any country will reject any spot on 500 and 1000m?

Some countries only have 1 skater who met the qualification time. So let's say  Marten Liiv or  Cornelius Kersten gets injured/COVID or they decide to focus only on the 1.000m (unlikely), then there's no one from Estonia or GB who can replace him on the 500m. In that case, the quota will go to   Nil Llop.

On the 1.000m the same can happen with  Mathias Vosté,  Marten Liiv, Cornelius Kersten or potentially someone from .

1 minute ago, ruben said:

So it’s not possible that Nederlands may rejected any quita for example un 500 m?

In theory, there is a chance, but in practice I don't see that happen, unfortunately for Nil Llop.

Just now, heywoodu said:

And the main thing in Dutch speed skating is back, the quadrennial 'Matrix'  This decides who goes to the Olympics and is filled with results during the OQT. For example, if you're 3rd in the men's 1500m, you need to hope someone has doubled up in the first nine spots (which is of course likely). Second place in the 5000m and 10.000m are both definitely not sure, which is a bit of a unique situation in Dutch male speed skating. As for the women: it's an Irene Schouten matrix all the way in the top-3  

 

 

You were a little quicker haha

1 hour ago, ruben said:

Basis on ISU qualification rules for Beiging in speedsaktind that says:

"

0. The highest number of event quota places is 3 (in Men’s 500m) plus 5 other events having at least 1 athlete (1000m, 1500m, 5000m, 10000m and Mass Start). This brings the total to 8. Thus for quota allocation purposes:

   • If the NOC also qualifies in the Men’s team pursuit, the NOC can be allocated up to 8 Men quota places.

   • If the NOC does not qualify in the Men’s team pursuit, the NOC can be allocated up to 7 Men quota places"

 

Do you think that maximum Nederlands men quota is 9 quotas or 9 skater for all the quotas earned??

17 event quotas (3x 500m/1000m/1500m/5000m, 2x 10000m/Mass Start + team pursuit), but only 9 skater quotas, so a maximum of 9 different Dutch male skaters can go to Beijing to compete.

Today the national ice skating association (KNSB) has published how they will determine which 9 skaters will go. Once again, the Dutch association asked scientists from the University of Groningen to come up with these matrices. The matrix shows the selection order for the skater quotas, based on the distances on which the mathematicians believe the Dutch have the highest chance of earning a gold medal in Beijing.

The top 6 highest ranked skaters in the final matrix will always go. It is very likely that the 7th and 8th highest ranked skater will also go and that the national association will select the number 9th based on who they think is the best fit for either the team pursuit or the mass start and who is not already part of the top 8 skaters.

For example, if we fill in the matrixes based the results of the national championships that were held in the last week of October, then they would select the following skaters:

• Green = 100% sure based on results during trials,
• Yellow = very likely based on trials, but could potentially be replaced by another skater to improve the team pursuit/mass start team,
• Red = will probably be replaced,
• Black = not qualified based on trials, but can be manually selected by the national association.
• Grey = also fills in a higher spot in the matrix, so this result doesn't count

14 hours ago, NearPup said:

In case anyone else wants to suffer through this complete abomination of a race:

 

 

The video is unavailable for me. What race was it?

Exactly. Belgium for example has 6 quotas on the mens side but only 2 skaters to fill in those 6 spots (Swings/Vosté). Czech Republic has 7 quotas on the womens side, but only 2 skaters who will normally fill in those quotas (Sablikova/Zdrahalova)
 

So on the womens side I foresee no issues, probably around 77-78 different skaters will fill in those quota. On the mens side, I think the total number will be around 87-90. That’s why I was wondering if they would use the unused quota from the women, but there is no rule about that. 

10 hours ago, intoronto said:

Just curious how many male athletes qualified spots?

97 different skaters won at least one spot for their NOC

Maximum number of athletes per NOC:

Country	Women	Men	Total
	9	9	18
	8	8	16
	8	8	16
	8	7	15
	8	7	15
	8	5	13
	6	6	12
	5	7	12
	4	8	12
	6	5	11
	5	5	10
	8	2	10
	4	5	9
	1	6	7
	7	0	7
	2	3	5
	3	2	5
	2	1	3
	3	0	3
	0	2	2
	0	2	2
	0	2	2
	1	0	1
	1	0	1
	0	1	1
	0	1	1
	1	0	1

If all countries will use the maximum number of skaters, a total of 210 names will be sent to the IOC (108 women and 102 men), but the maximum number of qualification places is 166 (83 women and 83 men).

That should not be too much of an issue on the women's side as 77 different skaters won a quota for their NOC. On the men's side however, I expect that the quota of 83 is too little. I'm curious to see what will happen in that situation. According to the rules, it could lead to a reduction of event quota on the 500m, 1.000m and 1.500m.

@Benolympique

Just now, intoronto said:

Final Men's team pursuit quotas: 

 

 

 

Qualified by time: ROC and

 

If this qualification system was the same in 2018 and would have qualified instead 

I prefer this system then. Of course it would be nice to see Denmark and New Zealand in the Olympics, but Russia 100% deserves to be there after the weird disqualification because they showed slightly too much skin.

1 minute ago, intoronto said:

Final Women's Mass start quotas for Beijing 2022

 

 x2 x2 x2 x2 x2 x2 x2  

You were quicker haha 

Women's mass start quota:

 x1  x1  x2  x2  x1  x1  x2  x1  x2  x1  x2  x2  x1  x1  x1  x1  x2

Reserves:         

 indeed qualified at last  

 Sandrine Tas also won her first quota for Belgium after being 1st reserve on the women's 500m and 2nd reserve on the women's 1.000m 

It looks as if Claudia Pechstein has qualified again on the mass start. She won her first Olympic medal in 1992 and will turn 50 three days after the mass start final in Beijing 2022. 

And the guaranteed quotas for the men's 1.000m:

 x1  x3  x1  x1  x1  x1  x3  x2  x3  x2  x1 x1

The 10 quota based on time will be final after the B-Group later tonight.