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While i think that it is certainly possible that this virus came from a lab (coincidentally China's only level 4 microbiology lab is in Wuhan ...), i am pretty confident that this virus isn't some man-made weapon. If the plan would have been to create a bioweapon, then you would have used a more deadly pathogen like Ebola or Lassa virus. In addition to that you wouldn't "release" the virus in the country where it was created, you would "release" it in some completely different part of the world, so that noone can ever trace it back to you.
 
Here are two articles that also doubt that the virus originated in a lab:
https://www.vox.com/2020/3/4/21156607/how-did-the-coronavirus-get-started-china-wuhan-lab
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9.pdf
 
Naturally it is very difficult to prove where a virus didn't come from, when you don't know where it came from or who was patient zero ...

Good to know that and good for u and Australia. For me, my life is not coronavirus-centric, it never was or will be. Being living China is suitable for me after my previous travel and study experience overseas. It's fast-paced, busy at working but with my liked food, adapted culture and fine salary. And I can see through my eyes China is developing very fast during past 30 years. I am a witness and I experienced the whole process and now I am more than willing to be a contributor for my country. Still a lots of things like freedom of speech don't meet the standard of democratic western countries, but it doesn't bother too much for me. My life is doing my job and enjoying the leisure time but not to criticize the government. Since you want to enjoy the benefits and convenience you have to sacrifice something. 

Again: no, that is not true. I'd suggest reading the article, because it never says a vaccine has been found. It says trials for potential vaccines are starting, which is entirely different.

I dont mind at all. Different people have different answers, I’m definitely not a representative, it’s just me. But before that do you mind telling me how do you feel like being a citizen of Australia or some other nations if I wrongly prejudged by your profile?

Only one city Suifenhe. It’s a small border  city connected to Russia and huge amounts of Chinese flee back through this border. Until now 300+ tested positive, close to full capacity of this small city. Medics are coming for helping and temporary hospital is being built. The border is temporarily closed for one week and will reopen after preparations.

It's more like a daily TV show. No one take it seriously and I like his daily debate with "fake news media" in press conference. To be honest, it is fun and he maybe right sometimes, for example he said comparing the ability of spreading panic, I am 10000 times better than you (some fake news media), but I chose not. And he now has a privilege to say anything without taking the responsibility as everyone knows he is an "idiot". You would not be surprised at anything he said no matter how outrageous it is, but if something similar said by other world leaders would be totally different. I think Chinese government is somehow admire this.

Trump's accomplishments are low, but even worse could be simply the way he talks. I hear leaders from all kinds of countries talk about their situation, about what they're doing and what people should be doing, and so on. When Trump is droning in his automated, monotonous buzz though, I am not exaggerating when I say more than half of what he says is not about anything useful or important, but about how incredibly impressed 'a lot of people' and 'other countries' are! That is just insane, it has absolutely nothing to do with the situation, it's as if he's jerking off right there to these thoughts.
 
"We've increased the numbers of hospital beds to levels nobody can even believe. We've been making ventilators, a lot of ventilators, people can't even believe how many there are, nobody has ever made this many before. There are other countries, big big producing countries, who produce a lot of things, they're saying they can not believe how much we've been producing."
 
WTF man, that's just completely not what you should be saying, at all  Nobody gives two fucks. Obviously I know everyone on here is smart enough to understand Trump is nothing more than an idiot, but still, dude.

Just take care not to go too far down the conspiracy hole. Some people just want everything to be a big conspiracy.

I think it illustrates almost  all the points you had made earlier and it is really gripping 

Thank you for sharing this.

One of the best made videos on the possibility of the chinese connection ...... I found it really well made 
 
 https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=epoch+news+coronavirus&&view=detail&mid=0362E045885CCAFF1D5E0362E045885CCAFF1D5E&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Depoch%2Bnews%2Bcoronavirus%26FORM%3DHDRSC3
 
 

a bit of humor in the between of all the sad news: a song about relationships in the current corona-crisis  (it's in dutch but you can enable subtitles in english)
 

Yes, that's what I mentioned: it escaped from a lab after the epidemic, when they were doing research. You made it sound like SARS-CoV was created in a lab or something and then leaked  

I agree 
 
1) fairly self evident that research into biological weapons is happening , 
 
2) This is a very recent science  , last 10 years or so that genome sequencing , splicing etc is possibly to weaponise viruses by changing  and mixing parts of them 
 
3)  accidents will happen ........ while obviously I cannot say with certainty that corona virus is a biologically designed weapon .... It is possible is all I will say .......

and here in Lithuania we're not too big on conspiracies, I guess, because the only stories that we have are the general updates of Covid in our country, updates of Covid from border countries, health specialists discussing the measures that should be taken to defuse the spread of the virus, a lot about economical repercussions and nothing about bats, labs, bio-weapons etc.
 
The new Resident Evil remake is already released, don't need to hype it up more.

It got out of a lab after the epidemic (it was never a pandemic) while research was being done, I can't find any reliable source saying the SARS epidemic (again, not a pandemic) started because it was leaked from a lab. Some link to substantiate the claim would be nice.

I shudder to think of the implications of this .... what if we ( humans !! ) in our hubris design a virus which is the  perfect weapon  ( very high morbidity  and extremely high R0 ) ........... we could kill all humankind  very easily .....................
 
 
This is also the most perfect  terrorist weapon 
 

Are we writing the script for the next big Netflix show now?

That is just blatantly untrue though.

good analysis ...... seems like china is covering up something

A summary from all the articles related to the virus thus far.
 
It's REALLY starting to look, like China MAY have engineered this virus in their Wuhan Institute of Virology:
(Allegations, below, taken from multiple sources on the internet. Hopefully more info will be revealed going forward)
-  The FIRST sick patient had no contact with that "seafood market" that the Chinese CLAIM was the source of the virus.
-  In fact its been claimed the first patient was a researcher at the Wuhan lab..Huang Yanling.
-  Huang Yanling has since "disappeared" and her bio has been removed from the lab's website.
-  It has been proposed she died from the virus... and her body was quickly cremated.
-  The workers at the crematorium were thus infected by contact with the body.
-  The viral infection may have spread from those workers.
-  There are 2 theories: 1. Two animals species, Bats and ?, created this virus. 2. The virus was "engineered".
-  One problem: There were no bats sold at the market. There were no bats found at the market.
-  After the market was shutdown, ALL the animals were destroyed and burned.
-  Without the animals to test it is impossible to determine if any were a secondary carrier for the Bat virus.
-  The Chinese government REFUSES to allow foreign scientists to investigate for the source of the virus.
-  The first Chinese investigative group, into Wuhan, was headed up by China's Propaganda Czar.
-  14 of the first 41 sick patients ALSO had no contact with that "seafood market".
-  50 of the first 99 patients ALSO had no contact with that "seafood market"
- There is a claim: "The virus came to the market before it left the market"
-  Initial criteria for patient evaluation for this virus REQUIRED the victim have contact with the market.
-  This criteria obviously ruled out approx. 30% of the infected from being included in the known case #'s:
-  As a result the Chinese government has been charged with attempting to lower reported numbers.
-  The Wuhan lab is termed "Level 4". As such it is capable of handling "weapons grade" micro-organisms.
-  The Wuhan lab began studying the Bat virus as early as 2009.
-  The Wuhan Biolab previously reported they were able to modify the Bat Virus so it would attach to human cells (lungs).
-  A Dr. Shi Zhengli, at the lab, wrote article claiming success splicing a bat S-protein "key" to the SARs Virus.
-  The s-protein was taken from one of three Bat Corona Viruses found MOST effective at attaching to human cells
-  The s-protein allows the virus to attach to the ACE2 protein in human lung cells.
-   She basically created a synthetic virus, "Frankenstein's Monster". (A SARs virus with a killer, s-protein, "key", spliced on)
-   Her tests on mice, showed MASSIVE lung damage.
-   She indicated she planned to test it on monkeys.
-  The final "intent", as to use of this bio-engineered virus....unknown?
-   A French researcher, aware of her work, WARNED what would happen if that synthetic virus escaped from the lab.
-  "If this virus escapes it will be impossible to plot its trajectory".
-   Once attached this "monster" virus can EASILY enter and destroy human lung cells.
-   The Corona virus SHOULD be classified as a bio-engineered, military weapon of "mass destruction."
-   This Dr. Shi Zhengli MAY go down as another "Joseph Megala". 
-   The Chinese government shut down ALL discussions of the virus after a Shanghai institute publish a genome study
-   The Wuhan General Mgr sent dictate to employees to NOT discuss COVID-19 with anyone.
-   The Wuhan Biolab has been called "The REAL Umbrella Corporation".
-   After the outbreak was made known, the Chinese government issued an edict to its labs.
-   The edict stated that increased precautions must be implemented to preclude virus escapes.
-   The edict SPECIFICALLY mentioned the Corona virus.
-   The Chinese government ALSO shutdown any and all studies on the virus and shutdown any discussions.
-   "Existing virus samples must be destroyed."
-   "Information about samples, related papers/data is prohibited from release".
-   An alternative theory: The sickness at the "wet market" MAY have been "planted" with animals from the Wuhan biolab.
-   There was in incident in Beijing where a researcher SOLD lab animals to "wet markets" for extra cash.
-   He was caught, tried and is currently in jail.
-   The Chinese government assigned a military GENERAL to manage the Wuhan epidemic.
-   That General (Chen Wei) is their expert on viral warfare.
-   The virus has 96% of the genetic makeup of the CoS Bat virus.
-   The Bat virus CANNOT infect humans to the extent this virus has.
-   Experts claim the Bat virus HAD to have been engineered so it could attach to proteins in the human lung.
-   Those same experts say it is virtually impossible for the virus to "evolve", to that deadly point, on its own.
-   The Corona viruses proteins match (100%} that of the SARs virus. IMPOSSIBLE via natural mutations
-   There IS a claim the virus was engineered to attack older men to a higher % (Military Generals, politicians, Catholic Clergy)

MORE information is needed. But based on these allegations, with no further evidence, the responsibility looks pretty damning for the Wuhan Lab.
 
A scientist from Czech who is studying about the virus together with a team of members in the lab said that the virus is very severe and damaging. She said there is no way this virus could have been so severe once it infect people. The virus might have come from the bats. However what we are seeing now is the dangerous mutated version of the bats virus which have been tampered with and it is severe. She said anyone who caught the virus they will face breathing difficulties and their lungs will be gone in just minutes of time. So scary. Hope her research team can find the vaccine and cure for this virus as soon as possible.

The governors have issues their joint statement. This will be known as the “Western States Pact.” They will make decisions on when to open their states back up, and not the federal government. They will no longer takes Trump’s guidance on the matter. Their decisions will only be directed by science. 
 
Y’all thought I was crazy when I talked about West Coasters wanting to leave the US. To be clear, this isn’t that. However the amount of people in these states that are very happy with the creation of this pact is telling.
 
From what I understand, the liberal states in New England are looking towards adopting a similar strategy.

Why leave a country like Australia if you're living there? Honestly I'm fairly sure I'd rather stay there than go to India and wait for a virus to spread around there..

After testing blood from 500 residents for antibodies to the COVID-19 virus in the town of Gangelt, which is a hot spot of the pandemic in Germany, scientists at a nearby university say they have determined that 14% have been infected and are therefore "immune." Some of those people would have had no symptoms at all. Scientists found that 2% of residents were actively infected by the coronavirus and a total of 14% had antibodies, indicating a prior infection. "From the result of their blood survey, the German team estimated the death rate in the municipality at 0.37% overall, a figure significantly lower than what's shown on a dashboard maintained by Johns Hopkins, where the death rate in Germany among reported cases is 2%," reports MIT Technology Review. In contrast, the 2019-2020 seasonal flu has infected up to 17% of U.S. population and killed ~0.1% of those infected. Since first emerged in late December, or purportedly as early as late November, the COVID-19 has infected over 1.6 million people and killed over 100,000.
 
if this true and can be replicated ...... Then Germany and most if Europe may be reaching the end game of covid..... It should die out in Western Europe by itself if you have such a large % already infected 

Australia managed to detect the cases early. By now we have conducted mass testing for more than 400,000 citizens in Australia. So perhaps this is a good start to it. Australia is not a very big country. Largest country in the world is China. Second largest is India and US is the third largest country.