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Song Duration For today's random statistical analysis, we will take a look at the duration of TISC entries. Specifically, we will focus on the relationship between various national juries and the duration of songs which tend to score points from these juries. Which juries prefer quick action, and which juries like a good-old slow burn? 3 minutes and 56 seconds Following the completion of the 2022 Annual, a total of 656 songs have been presented on the TISC stage. Duration of these 656 songs varies a great deal, but it all averages out at just above 3 minutes and 56 seconds per song. Unlike the Eurovision Song Contest, there are no time limits to be found in the TISC rulebook. It is interesting, however, that the adopted average after the first 18 editions stands at almost exactly a minute longer than the Eurovision limit. Mi Pais vs Kelmti Horra (for now) The shortest song entered so far has been Uruguay's Mi Pais. Taking just 115 seconds, it is indeed the only sub 2 minutes entry presented to date. Too short for some? Perhaps. Mi Pais placed 29th at the 2017 Open with 32 points. On the other side of the spectrum, we find Kelmti Horra representing Tunisia. Taking 6 minutes and 45 seconds (!), it can undoubtedly be classified in the epic category. Kelmti Horra scored 71 points to finish 16th at the 2016 Open. This record is set to be broken this week in Czechia however, as Egypt's 180° takes up a whopping 7 minutes and 19 seconds (excluding intro/outro). Finally, who is the Average Joe of the TISC? Well, there have been exactly five songs to date with a duration of 3:56 - Jaadagi Nii (EST, 2014 Open), Geboren um zu Leben (GER, 2014 Open), Crazy For You (CAN, 2015 Annual), Onaj Dan (CRO, 2017 Annual) and most recently Pelan-Pelan Saja (INA, 2019 Open). Song Duration Sweetspot Today, we would like to focus on finding the song duration sweetspot for every jury. For this purpose, we took a look at the voting history of each jury and calculated the average duration of all songs which have scored points from the said jury. We used the weighted average, so for example, duration of the songs which were awarded 12 points hold 12 times more weight than duration of the songs which were awarded 1 point, and so on. Short and Sweet So we have crunched the numbers and the observation is as follows. Voting records show that the Venezuelan jury prefers short songs the most with a weighted average of just 3:30. If your entry for the 2022 Open clocks over 4 minutes, then maybe don't expect much from Venezuela. Out of 24 songs which have received points from Venezuela so far, only two clock at over 4 minutes and none goes beyond 5 minutes. Pretty extraordinary, given that the all-time average duration of TISC entries is very nearly 4 minutes exactly. Ironically, Venezuela itself tends to enter fairly long songs into the contests. Their shortest one to date - Sin Ti, 2019 Annual - still clocks at eyebrow-raising 4:57, while the other two (No Te Vas, 2018 Annual and Es Epico, 2022 Open) both go well over 5 minutes! Practice what you preach? Other juries which are statistically most likely to reward shorter songs are Ukraine, Uruguay, Norway, Iran, Indonesia, Spain, Bulgaria, Lebanon. Ukraine should be noted as the jury who statistically awards medals to the shortest songs. Average duration of their medal picks stands at just 3:25. Going the Distance On the other side of the spectrum, we find Morocco. And Morocco likes it long, very long. Their weighted average stands at whopping 4:16, and the medal picks average at 4:35! 3 out of 5 Morocco's gold medal picks to date clock over 5 minutes, including two winners - Zombie (2014 Open) and Song About Love (2015 Open). Other juries which are statistically most likely to reward longer songs are Guyana, Vietnam, Denmark, Hungary, Ireland, Egypt, Turkey, Chile, Azerbaijan. Below you can find a table with juries grouped around their weighted average ("sweetspot song duration"). Only the juries taking part in this edition are included. It comes as no surprise that most juries are grouped around the average song duration of 3:56 (even if only Croatia hits that mark exactly). There are pockets of juries to be found around 10 seconds or more away from 3:56. On the shorter side - INA, BUL, ESP, IND, ISR, SLO; and on the longer side - CHI, TUR, EGY, IRL, HUN, DEN, VIE. As outlined above, Venezuela and Ukraine are by far the biggest outliers. Sweetspot Song Duration Juries 3:30 3:31 3:32 3:33 3:34 3:35 3:36 3:37 3:38 3:39 3:40 3:41 3:42 3:43 3:44 3:45 3:46 3:47 3:48 3:49 3:50 3:51 3:52 3:53 3:54 3:55 3:56 3:57 3:58 3:59 4:00 4:01 4:02 4:03 4:04 4:05 4:06 4:07 4:08 4:096 points
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Totallympics Open International Song Contest 2022
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Totallympics Open International Song Contest - Top 40 Chart In today's installment of the TISC Open Top 40, we have 5 more songs that achieved much success in the contest, among them the silver and bronze medalists from TISC Open 2019 and indeed the 4th place finisher from that edition also features in the chart today. However, we rejoin our countdown of the TISC Open Top 40 Chart at position number 25 and the late Christina Grimmie. Her entry Feelin' Good will always be remembered as the inaugural entry for the United States and her memory lives on in TISC.... 25 Christina Grimmie - Feelin' Good Edition: TISC Open 2013 Placement: 6th Points: 150 points Points-Per-Jury Average: 4.55 pts Number of Juries That Voted For The Song: 21 / 33 (63.64%) Medals Won: 2 Gold, 2 Silver, 2 Bronze Juries Who Awarded Their 12 Points To This Song: Sweden, Vietnam ************************************************************************* 24 Michael Bublé - Close Your Eyes Edition: TISC Open 2013 Placement: 5th Points: 150 points Points-Per-Jury Average: 4.55 pts Number of Juries That Voted For The Song: 23 / 33 (69.70%) Medals Won: 1 Gold, 2 Silver, 2 Bronze Juries Who Awarded Their 12 Points To This Song: Sweden, Germany ************************************************************************* 23 Bea Palya - Szabadon Edition: TISC Open 2019 Placement: 4th Points: 167 points Points-Per-Jury Average: 4.64 pts Number of Juries That Voted For The Song: 20 / 36 (55.56%) Medals Won: 2 Gold, 2 Silver, 6 Bronze Juries Who Awarded Their 12 Points To This Song: Egypt, Portugal ************************************************************************* 22 ABBA - Mamma Mia Edition: TISC Open 2019 Placement: 3rd Points: 171 points Points-Per-Jury Average: 4.75 pts Number of Juries That Voted For The Song: 28 / 36 (77.78%) Medals Won: 2 Gold, 1 Silver, 2 Bronze Juries Who Awarded Their 12 Points To This Song: Italy, Kazakhstan ************************************************************************* 21 Vance Joy - Riptide Edition: TISC Open 2019 Placement: 2nd Points: 172 points Points-Per-Jury Average: 4.78 pts Number of Juries That Voted For The Song: 22 / 36 (61.11%) Medals Won: 3 Gold, 3 Silver, 2 Bronze Juries Who Awarded Their 12 Points To This Song: Brazil, France, Indonesia *************************************************************************4 points -
@Werloc You are absolutely correct. And the difference is pretty big. Average Annual Song - 3:47 Average Open Song - 4:052 points
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I'd assume though that for the Annual contest separately, it's closer to three minutes for everyone? Very rare nowadays to see a 4 minute + song in the pop scene, even alternative music doesn't tend to drag on as long. People don't have the attention span anymore, so the music industry is trying to get you hooked quick before you press the skip button. If you don't reach the first chorus by 30-45 seconds, it's already somewhat of a danger zone. I'm in a bit of a dilemma, where I went to my Spotify liked tracks a couple of months ago and most of them were 4 minutes and longer, but when I'm focusing on my writing (for myself and other artists), the sweet spot has become 2:30-3:30, edging ever so closer to the under 3 minute mark. Some good examples would be some recent pop releases like: Harry's House by Harry Styles, clocking in at 41m:59s with thirteen songs - two songs over four minutes, the rest close to three. CHARLIE by Charlie Puth, clocking in at a very low 33m02s with 12 songs - only five songs are over three minutes, Charlie has been spending most of his days on TikTok, so he really knows how to tap into the younger audience. Midnights by Taylor Swift, clocking in at 44m08s with thirteen songs - only two song over four minutes as well. And before Taylor breaking the Billboard Top 100, the top 10 songs were: "Unholy" by Sam Smith and Kim Petras at 2:36 "Bad Habit" by Steve Lacy at 3:52 "As It Was" by Harry Styles at 2:47 "California Breeze" by Lil Baby at 2:57 "I Like You" by Post Malone and Doja Cat at 3:12 "I Ain't Worried" by One Republic at 2:28 "You Proof" by Morgan Wallen at 2:37 "Forever" by Lil Baby and Fridayy at 2:47 "Super Freaky Girl" by Nicki Minaj at 2:50 "Real Spill" by Lil Baby at 3:18 Adele is really one of the A-list pop stars that can still transcend any trends, clocking in a 58m18s album with only twelve songs, five of them over 6 minutes, but her first two singles from the album were under 4 minute tracks anyways.2 points
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Artistic Gymnastics FIG World Championships 2022
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China go go go2 points -
I have to say what some of you must be thinking: it makes no sense that isn't banned by IOC when they are a more active participant in the war at this point than , who are included in the Russian ban in most sports. Yeah, you can say that Iran isn't breaking the Olympic truce like technically Belarus did in February but that was always a bullshit excuse for the ban anyway. This ban will go far beyond the 2022 Winter Games, it's got nothing to do with the Olympic truce at this point. IOC should be consistent, they should either only ban Russia or they should ban ALL nations that are supporting the war on the side of Russia. And yeah, if the recent news is true and Iran will attack Saudi Arabia.... but let's hope that won't happen.2 points
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Artistic Gymnastics FIG World Championships 2022
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Ridiculous that GB get a medal despite some terrible routines1 point -
In b4 the Venezuelan juror is actually a big time TikToker.1 point
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will officially ask IOC to change its name with immediate effect from Czech Republic to Czechia. The Czech Olympic Committee announced it, the majority of the Czech sport federations approved the proposition during its general assembly. They will ask IOC to immediatelly change the name and also demand that the new abbreviated designation to be used in all international sports competitions and at the Olympics games already from Paris. so no more Czech ripablik folks, from now on only Czechia https://www.olympijskytym.cz/article/cesky-olympijsky-vybor-pozada-o-zapis-nazvu-czechia-do-mezinarodni-sportovni-databaze1 point
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Oh God, yeap, I missunderstand this reply1 point
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Judo Qualification to Summer Olympic Games Paris 2024
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So finally, the IJF seem to have updated their website to include Olympic rankings. Unfortunately, they don't seem to be able to actually manage the process of updating the rankings correctly so here's my take on the position as at the end of October. This month's ranking update includes the World Champs, the Abu Dhabi Grand Slam and the Perth Continental Open: For the most part, nations were fairly flat in terms of their qualification numbers this month, either picking up or dropping one weight class. saw biggest movement on the downside, shedding 6 places whilst the unwinding of positions continues as they drop 4. were the biggest gainers this month, picking up 5 spots whilst picked up 4. In the team event, and now qualify whilst and would not.1 point -
Artistic Gymnastics
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https://olympic.ca/2022/11/01/team-canada-wins-historic-bronze-medal-at-artistic-gymnastics-world-championships/ First Canadian qualifiers for 20241 point -
Artistic Gymnastics FIG World Championships 2022
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Canada will get bronze. This is UNREAL! Massive achievement! Congratulations to my fellow Canadians here!1 point -
Artistic Gymnastics FIG World Championships 2022
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China in the first group already raised this issue to the committee. Their response is that it's fair for every team. I don't blame this for the Chinese shit show last night as Japan in the same group didn't fall.0 points