LowerSaxony 205 Posted March 24, 2019 #121 Share Posted March 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, heywoodu said: A German speed skater being caught and still it's not Pechstein Patrick Beckert, Moritz Geisreiter, Joel Dufter or Nico Ihle. It is my understanding that it is not necessarily the 2018 Olympics. As the blood doping in question took playe between 2011 and 2019, also Sochi is possible. heywoodu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heywoodu 13,540 Posted March 24, 2019 #122 Share Posted March 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, LowerSaxony said: It is my understanding that it is not necessarily the 2018 Olympics. As the blood doping in question took playe between 2011 and 2019, also Sochi is possible. Adding Samuel Schwarz, Robert Lehmann and Alexej Baumgärtner. All rather unimpressive, so that would mostly be a case of 'oh, ok'. If you'd like to help our fellow Totallympics member Bruna Moura get to the 2026 Winter Olympics, after her car crash on the way to the 2022 Olympics, every tiny bit of help would be greatly appreciated! Full story and how to help can be found here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlympicsFan 781 Posted March 24, 2019 #123 Share Posted March 24, 2019 1 hour ago, LowerSaxony said: According to ARD and Deutschlandfunk (German Broadcating Stations) at least one German athlete is among the 21 blood dopers: A male speed skater who competed at the Olympics. https://www.deutschlandfunk.de/erfurter-dopingskandal-deutscher-eisschnelllaeufer-unter.1346.de.html?dram:article_id=444479 Hopefully not Dufter, otherwise they can shut speed skating down completely. Attachment is the great fabricator of illusions; reality can be obtained only by someone who is detached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlympicsFan 781 Posted March 24, 2019 #124 Share Posted March 24, 2019 1 hour ago, heywoodu said: A German speed skater being caught and still it's not Pechstein Patrick Beckert, Moritz Geisreiter, Joel Dufter or Nico Ihle. Also surprising that we still havent heard any more news about the dutch athletes with suspicious blood values that ARD mentioned during the world cup final. I guess when you are from the country that owns speed skating, you dont have to worry about anything ... Attachment is the great fabricator of illusions; reality can be obtained only by someone who is detached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heywoodu 13,540 Posted March 24, 2019 #125 Share Posted March 24, 2019 10 minutes ago, OlympicsFan said: Also surprising that we still havent heard any more news about the dutch athletes with suspicious blood values that ARD mentioned during the world cup final. I guess when you are from the country that owns speed skating, you dont have to worry about anything ... Yes, according to the recent reports in the early 2000's around 90 times speed skaters - not known how many different skaters, but 5 or 6 of them Dutch - were 'warned' by the ISU, by sending a doping control officer to the skater when they had 'bad' blood values. Blood values couldn't result in a ban, so sending a DCO was a way of saying "hey, stop and take care" and magically, the blood values went down immediately after the DCO visit. This all is mostly based on the words of Harm Kuipers, former member of ISU's medical commission, by the way. If you'd like to help our fellow Totallympics member Bruna Moura get to the 2026 Winter Olympics, after her car crash on the way to the 2022 Olympics, every tiny bit of help would be greatly appreciated! Full story and how to help can be found here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EselTheDonkey 651 Posted March 24, 2019 #126 Share Posted March 24, 2019 (edited) 31 minutes ago, OlympicsFan said: Hopefully not Dufter, otherwise they can shut speed skating down completely. Isn't blood doping more helpful in endurance competitions? I don't know how it is with 500 metres and 1000 metres in Speed Skating, but normally I'm not associating blood doping with sprint. Edited March 24, 2019 by EselTheDonkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heywoodu 13,540 Posted March 24, 2019 #127 Share Posted March 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, EselTheDonkey said: Isn't blood doping more helpful in endurance competitions? I don't know how it is with 500 metres and 1000 metres in Speed Skating, but normally I'm not associating blood doping with sprint. Trainings are a lot longer than a little over a minute though, with blood doping one can imagine also a sprinter can train significantly longer and harder. If you'd like to help our fellow Totallympics member Bruna Moura get to the 2026 Winter Olympics, after her car crash on the way to the 2022 Olympics, every tiny bit of help would be greatly appreciated! Full story and how to help can be found here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phelps 6,770 Posted March 24, 2019 #128 Share Posted March 24, 2019 2 hours ago, heywoodu said: A German speed skater being caught and still it's not Pechstein Patrick Beckert, Moritz Geisreiter, Joel Dufter or Nico Ihle. Beckert is actually from Erfurt (and he's a long distance specialist)... and Ihle is from Chemnitz (still the old "East Germany")... imho those 2 have more chances to be involved in this scandal (even because they got the best results among those in the list)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heywoodu 13,540 Posted March 24, 2019 #129 Share Posted March 24, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, phelps said: Beckert is actually from Erfurt (and he's a long distance specialist)... and Ihle is from Chemnitz (still the old "East Germany")... imho those 2 have more chances to be involved in this scandal (even because they got the best results among those in the list)... And Geisreiter had one super magical race and apart from that not much, one might see that as suspicious. And Baumgärtner is born in Russia Beckert kept skating and also posting his results including analysis and everything as always, also after that police raid in Austria and Germany. Doesn't sound very suspicious. Edited March 24, 2019 by heywoodu If you'd like to help our fellow Totallympics member Bruna Moura get to the 2026 Winter Olympics, after her car crash on the way to the 2022 Olympics, every tiny bit of help would be greatly appreciated! Full story and how to help can be found here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phelps 6,770 Posted March 24, 2019 #130 Share Posted March 24, 2019 1 hour ago, EselTheDonkey said: Isn't blood doping more helpful in endurance competitions? I don't know how it is with 500 metres and 1000 metres in Speed Skating, but normally I'm not associating blood doping with sprint. blood doping helps recovery... also those involved in the BALCO scandal, despite being all of them sprinters and throwers (Marion Jones, Dwayne Chambers, CJ Hunter) used to have blood treatment to increase the work rate during trainings... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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