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[POLL] Do You want Boxing to be included in the Summer Olympic Games 2020 Programme?

Do You want Boxing to be included in the Summer Olympic Games 2020 Programme?  

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  1. 1. Do You want Boxing to be included in the Summer Olympic Games 2020 Programme?



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Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Jur said:

No. Rio was a robery, half of the matches were fixed. And nothing is inproved since.

 

IMO Rio results should be cancelled and medals returned.

artistic gymnastics also is fixed, look what is happening with US women team from 2004 and afterwards

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I want boxing in it's current guise to be removed from the Olympic progamme.  It always had its issues but it has zero integrity these days so would rather the athlete quotas to be given to other sports.

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6 hours ago, AlFHg said:

I voted yes. Although a lot of problems affected it, it is not correct to destroy history. 

Having it out of one Olympics so that maybe the mess can finally get cleaned up is not destroying history. I voted no, because boxing needs to be very severely cleaned up and that's simply not going to happen when it stays in the Olympics, but I do want it to come back after major cleaning operations.

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9 hours ago, JoshMartini007 said:

Yes, but it needs fewer events. 10 was a lot considering what the other combat sports had. Even 8 for men is pushing it. They also need to bring back real-time scoring and give professionals the same qualifying rights as amateurs.

Totally disagree on your first point. If anything, to be a fairer and safer tournament you need more weight divisions. Maybe 12-14 would be best (but not realistic) for each sex. 8 is the absolute minimum for safety reasons.

The difference is, unlike other combat sports, you're primarily using your bulk to generate power rather than speed.

You put a guy who naturally weighs 60kg against someone who weighs 48kg and, if you're lucky you get a quick and painful knockout.

If you're unlucky you get a sustained beating that seriously harms the loser's health.

 

Agree with the other points you make although pro boxing would have to be cleaned up a lot before they can let them fight at the Olympics.

 

For 2020 it would be unfair to rob boxers who have trained  for many years to throw the sport out of the Olympics - but all the people at the top of the AIBA have to go quickly.

2020 would be their final chance. Any problems and they are automatically banned from Paris and LA

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24 minutes ago, Dragon said:

Totally disagree on your first point. If anything, to be a fairer and safer tournament you need more weight divisions. Maybe 12-14 would be best (but not realistic) for each sex. 8 is the absolute minimum for safety reasons.

The difference is, unlike other combat sports, you're primarily using your bulk to generate power rather than speed.

You put a guy who naturally weighs 60kg against someone who weighs 48kg and, if you're lucky you get a quick and painful knockout.

If you're unlucky you get a sustained beating that seriously harms the loser's health.

 

Agree with the other points you make although pro boxing would have to be cleaned up a lot before they can let them fight at the Olympics.

 

For 2020 it would be unfair to rob boxers who have trained  for many years to throw the sport out of the Olympics - but all the people at the top of the AIBA have to go quickly.

2020 would be their final chance. Any problems and they are automatically banned from Paris and LA

 

Except most boxers are near the maximum weight, you aren't typically going to see an 82kg boxer in the heavyweight. There's a three kg difference between the light flyweight and flyweight, that's having events for the sake of having events.

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I voted yes, but it should be conditioned to AIBA changing the current scoring system and an evaluation of the corrupt judges.

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6 ore fa, JoshMartini007 ha scritto:

 

Except most boxers are near the maximum weight, you aren't typically going to see an 82kg boxer in the heavyweight. There's a three kg difference between the light flyweight and flyweight, that's having events for the sake of having events.

 

no, boxers are second only to wrestlers in cutting weight before the fight...

your normal 56kg fighter at the moment of the weigh-in (the day before the fight), the day after weights at least 5 kg more (someone has even a bigger spread)...

and this is a big health issue...the more weight classes there are, the less fighters have to adjust their normal weight to the event (and in the lower classes, 3-5 kgs can make a big difference in terms of power, especially if one jumps into the ring too dehydrated because he had troubles to make the weight for his class)...

boxing is always a really dangerous sport (the only one where the opponent's head is the main target)...there no need to make it even more life-threatening by reducing the number of weight divisions...

 

by the way, the Olympic question about it is a totally different problem...it's about corruption and diffused illegality, it's about the people who are driving the bus now (and those who have done it in the past)...

and until AIBA and its Continental affiliated (and their people) are in charge, there's no reason to keep boxing among the sports recognized by the IOC (not only being in the Games program, even giving them just a full recognition like most of the current non-Olympic disciplines is a problem to me)...

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9 hours ago, JoshMartini007 said:

 

Except most boxers are near the maximum weight, you aren't typically going to see an 82kg boxer in the heavyweight. There's a three kg difference between the light flyweight and flyweight, that's having events for the sake of having events.

Fighters lose weight to get down to the lowest possible weight division. It's OK if you drop a couple of kilos but if you need to lose more it gets very dangerous

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/09/sports/olympics/09boxing.html

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I think some may have misunderstood the question. It's not about removing boxing permanently, but rather removing it from Tokyo (for now).

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It's too late to remove it from Tokyo, they should have done it in 2016 or at least before June 2017, when they announced the programme.Removing the sport in November/December 2018 would be unfair to athletes. The IOC should strictly supervise the competition in Tokyo and demand that AIBA fix their problems by 2020 in order to be included in Paris 2024, but they must take a final decision 4 years in advance.

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