Vektor 3,195 Posted January 30, 2023 #821 Share Posted January 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Federer91 said: Sadly yeah, i was hoping this topic would begin at the end of the year, or beginning of 2024, but no, we will get "glorious" 2 years of drama. It has to start now because of the qualification tournaments. Any kind of debate over the ban in 2024 would make no sense because by that point most Russian athletes would have missed out on a bunch of qualification events and would have no chance winning quotas, unless they get some kind of wildcard, which would be even more insulting for Ukrainians than the ban lift. dullard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDOG 2,199 Posted January 30, 2023 #822 Share Posted January 30, 2023 As long as USA and China are on board, you can get the games running. IOC can tank anything else financially speaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympian1010 7,477 Posted January 30, 2023 #823 Share Posted January 30, 2023 Interesting point raised by Krauchanka. How will the IOC approach the potential participation of “dissident” athletes if BLR/RUS are eligible to send teams. Belarus was already on thin ice with the IOC for political discrimination in athlete selection before the invasion. “Sport has the power to change the world. It has the power to inspire. Sport can create hope where once there was only despair” - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Federer91 2,140 Posted January 30, 2023 #824 Share Posted January 30, 2023 4 hours ago, Vektor said: It has to start now because of the qualification . Any kind of debate over ban in 2024 would make no sense because by that point most Russian athletes would have missed out on a bunch of qualification events and would have no chance winning quotas, unless they some kind of wildcard, which would be even more insulting for Ukrainians than the ban lift. Most of the quotas will be awarded in 2024, like it usually is and the ones using some kind of rankings stuff have some additional tournaments in the end as well. They could be added along the way, like any other athletes. The problem is not that a decision needs to be made now. The problem is that whatever decision is made it won't be the end and we will hear about it until Day 1. People wouldn't stop honking and bonking about it and it will shade every damn event... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Federer91 2,140 Posted January 30, 2023 #825 Share Posted January 30, 2023 By the way, it's weird when even ultra liberal Reddit is seemingly taking the sporting aspect. Usually they are the first in the "moral compass" Topic here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon 1,699 Posted January 31, 2023 #826 Share Posted January 31, 2023 Translation Chairman of the Latvian Olympic Committee Georges Tikmers said that Latvia would not go to the Olympic Games if athletes from Russia and Belarus were allowed to participate in them. “The position of Latvia is that if these Olympic Games were held now and it was expected that athletes from Russia and Belarus would take part in them, I think that the Latvian team would not go to these Games,” Tikmers said on the air of Latvian television. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nenad 358 Posted January 31, 2023 #827 Share Posted January 31, 2023 6 minutes ago, Dragon said: Translation Chairman of the Latvian Olympic Committee Georges Tikmers said that Latvia would not go to the Olympic Games if athletes from Russia and Belarus were allowed to participate in them. “The position of Latvia is that if these Olympic Games were held now and it was expected that athletes from Russia and Belarus would take part in them, I think that the Latvian team would not go to these Games,” Tikmers said on the air of Latvian television. What a loss for world sports community. But jokes aside, just imagine how much unsportsmanlike is to wish that other athletes don't compete. I mean it's just insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nenad 358 Posted January 31, 2023 #828 Share Posted January 31, 2023 (edited) On 1/30/2023 at 1:03 PM, Vektor said: You can't separate politics and sport at the time of such a major military conflict. If you think that this is comparable to the Korean War or the Vietnam War, or any other war since WW2 you are fooling yourself. It's the largest attempted landgrab in Europe since Hitler was defeated, the historical significance of such an event is massive and can't be brushed aside as just yet another war. Making a "safe space" out of the Olympics would be foolish. And yes, every Russian athlete, every Russian citizen is culpable. I say this as a Hungarian who knows that the fact that I am living in Hungary supports Orbán's system, regardless of how much I hate him. Russia is exactly like Hungary, just on steroids. They are all guilty, just like I will be guilty of being part of Orbán's regime if he does something truly awful, no matter how many times I vote against him. Putin isn't doing this alone. If Russia is like Hungary, the country is rotten to its core. People need to take responsibility for the actions of their nation if they live there and they are part of its society. Putin would have never started this war if the Russian society wouldn't accept such an action. Give me a break. Edited January 31, 2023 by Sindo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Майкл 542 Posted January 31, 2023 #829 Share Posted January 31, 2023 On 1/30/2023 at 1:03 PM, Vektor said: You can't separate politics and sport at the time of such a major military conflict. If you think that this is comparable to the Korean War or the Vietnam War, or any other war since WW2 you are fooling yourself. It's the largest attempted landgrab in Europe since Hitler was defeated, the historical significance of such an event is massive and can't be brushed aside as just yet another war. Making a "safe space" out of the Olympics would be foolish. And yes, every Russian athlete, every Russian citizen is culpable. I say this as a Hungarian who knows that the fact that I am living in Hungary supports Orbán's system, regardless of how much I hate him. Russia is exactly like Hungary, just on steroids. They are all guilty, just like I will be guilty of being part of Orbán's regime if he does something truly awful, no matter how many times I vote against him. Putin isn't doing this alone. If Russia is like Hungary, the country is rotten to its core. People need to take responsibility for the actions of their nation if they live there and they are part of its society. Putin would have never started this war if the Russian society wouldn't accept such an action. What is so different about this war? Anything besides than the fact that it is not in line with the interests of NATO's leading countries? Sanctions are nothing but a tool for preservation of imperialist aspirations of the First world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDOG 2,199 Posted January 31, 2023 #830 Share Posted January 31, 2023 Well, Korea and Vietnam had 3 million casualties each so not exactly a pub fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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