If LA 1984 Olympics were not boycotted, what would have been the results?

[Dragon 1,699]

W 200

1 Brisco-Hooks USA 21.80

2 Griffith USA 22.03

3 Ottey-Page JAM  22.08

4 Cook GBR 22.10

5 Wockel GER 22.18

6 Jackson JAM 22.19

7 Givens USA 22.35

8 Bacoul FRA 22.77

[Dragon 1,699]

5 minutes ago, Dragon said:

W 200

1 Brisco-Hooks USA 21.80

2 Griffith USA 22.03

3 Ottey-Page JAM  22.08

4 Cook GBR 22.10

5 Wockel GER 22.18

6 Jackson JAM 22.19

7 Givens USA 22.35

8 Bacoul FRA 22.77

Finally 

W 100 Hurdles

1 Donkova BUL 12.57

2 Paetz GDR 12.62

3 Kalek HUN 12.63

4 Akimova URS 12.64

5 Fitzgerald USA 12.77

6 Gusurova RUS 12.79

7 Strong GBR 12.81

8 Zagorcheva RUS 12.88

 

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Day 4, Wednesday

 

No swimming events on Day 4, sadly.

 

But still things are very interesting.

 

28. Cycling Track - Men's Individual Pursuit

 

1. Gintautas Umaras URS 4.33.66 FR1

2. Bernd Dittert GDR 4.33.88 FR2

3. Steve Hegg USA 4.35.57 LA1

 

According to English Wikipedia:

Eastern Bloc results in track cycling were better than Olympic results, but Friendship Games cyclists competed on an indoor wooden track, while the Olympic events took place on an outdoor concrete track.

 

So it is hard to say for me if we can compare cycling track results so simply.

 

Anyway, if we can and if we do - 4th would be Ryszard Dawidowicz POL 4.40.21 FR3

 

29. Gymnastics Artistic - Women's Team

 

1. Soviet Union 395.250 FR1

2. East Germany 392.500 FR2

3. Romania 392.200 LA1

 

Honestly I don't know if these results are reliable.

As I said before, 2 different competitions, 2 different sets of judges...

 

Czechoslovakia would be 4th (391.950 FR3)

United States only got 391.200 as LA2

 

30. Modern Pentathlon - Men's Individual

 

1. Laszlo Fabian HUN 5670 FR1

2. Anatoli Starostin URS 5650 FR2

3. Milan Kadlec TCH 5497 FR3

 

If we simply compare the points - no medal for LA winner Daniele Masala, ITA in an individual event

 

31. Modern Pentathlon - Men's Team

 

1. Hungary 16371 FR1

2. Italy 16060 LA1

3. Czechoslovakia 15918 FR2

 

32. Shooting - Men's 50m Rifle Three Positions

 

1. Malcolm Cooper GBR 1173 LA1

2. Milan Bakes TCH 1169 FR1

3. Ireneusz Jagodziński POL 1166 FR2

 

First gold for Team GB in LA!

 

And first medal for Poland!!!

 

The problem is that according to an official Polish Olympic Committee 1984 commemorative book (Na olimpijskim szlaku) - (On the olympic trail) Ireneusz Jagodziński wasn't a member of Team Poland who was planned to go to LA Olympics. We have planned to send there 3 shooters only, all male: Zygmunt Bogdziewicz, Jerzy Greszkiewicz and Adam Kaczmarek.

 

For the purpose of this thread, let's think he was there in LA and he gets first medal for Poland.

 

But if he's not there - next athlete would be Alexander Mitrofanov URS 1164 FR3

 

33. Weightlifting - Men's 67.5 kg (Lightweight)

 

1. Yanko Rusev BUL 337.5 FR1

2. Aleksandar Varbanov BUL 335 FR2

3. Yao Jingyuan CHN 320 LA1

 

4th gold for BUL in 4th weightlifting event.

4th CHN gold lost in 4th weightlifting event...

 

4th place for Marek Seweryn POL 315 FR3

 

And that's all for the part 1 of Day 4

 

No gold for USA on Day 4 so far!!!

 

Medal table after part 1 of Day 4 (33 events)

 

10-5-7---22

9-5-8---22

5-2-1---8

3-10-2---15

2-1-2---5

2-1-0---3

1-3-1---5

1-0-0---1

0-2-3---5

0-2-0---2

0-1-4---5

0-1-3---4

0-0-1---1

0-0-1---1

0-0-1---1

 

 

 

 

 

 

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So far the things were relatively easy.

 

But to finish Day 4 in LA in style we have to do one more sport. And here things get much more difficult.

 

Time for first medals in combat sports.

 

And it's WRESTLING GRECO-ROMAN.

 

No more simple times / points comparison.

 

3 wrestling events on day 4 were:

 

34. Men's 48kg

 

35. Men's 62kg

 

36. Men's 90kg

 

The medalists were:

 

Men's 48kg

 

LA - 1. Vincenzo Maenza ITA 2. Markus Scherer FRG 3. Ikuzo Saito JPN

FR - 1. Kim Cher Huan PRK 2. Sergei Kornilayev URS 3. Jan Falandys POL

 

Men's 62kg

 

LA - 1. Kim Weon Kee KOR 2. Kent-Olle Johansson SWE 3. Hugo Dietsche SUI

FR - 1. Simeon Shterev BUL 2. Avirmediin Enkhee MGL 3. Viktor Alexeev URS

 

Men's 90kg

 

LA - 1. Steve Fraser USA 2. Ilie Matei ROM 3. Frank Andersson SWE

FR - 1. Sansar Oganisyan URS 2. Yordan Doynov BUL 3. Jan Górski POL

 

So in our simulation gold and silver could be:

 

1. LA1 2. FR1

1. FR1 2. LA1

1. LA1 2. LA2

1. FR1 2. FR2

 

For the 3rd places there are much more different possibilities...

 

I don't know much about wrestling,

but I think Vincenzo Maenza gold is secure!

 

All the other medals... well, I don't know.

 

So @phelps i think there's a job for you here to be done ;-)

 

And maybe @MHSN - if you'd like to help us, would appreciate this.

 

 

[phelps 6,858]

44 minutes ago, rafalgorka said:

So far the things were relatively easy.

 

But to finish Day 4 in LA in style we have to do one more sport. And here things get much more difficult.

 

Time for first medals in combat sports.

 

And it's WRESTLING GRECO-ROMAN.

 

No more simple times / points comparison.

 

3 wrestling events on day 4 were:

 

34. Men's 48kg

 

35. Men's 62kg

 

36. Men's 90kg

 

The medalists were:

 

Men's 48kg

 

LA - 1. Vincenzo Maenza ITA 2. Markus Scherer FRG 3. Ikuzo Saito JPN

FR - 1. Kim Cher Huan PRK 2. Sergei Kornilayev URS 3. Jan Falandys POL

 

Men's 62kg

 

LA - 1. Kim Weon Kee KOR 2. Kent-Olle Johansson SWE 3. Hugo Dietsche SUI

FR - 1. Simeon Shterev BUL 2. Avirmediin Enkhee MGL 3. Viktor Alexeev URS

 

Men's 90kg

 

LA - 1. Steve Fraser USA 2. Ilie Matei ROM 3. Frank Andersson SWE

FR - 1. Sansar Oganisyan URS 2. Yordan Doynov BUL 3. Jan Górski POL

 

So in our simulation gold and silver could be:

 

1. LA1 2. FR1

1. FR1 2. LA1

1. LA1 2. LA2

1. FR1 2. FR2

 

For the 3rd places there are much more different possibilities...

 

I don't know much about wrestling,

but I think Vincenzo Maenza gold is secure!

 

All the other medals... well, I don't know.

 

So @phelps i think there's a job for you here to be done ;-)

 

And maybe @MHSN - if you'd like to help us, would appreciate this.

 

 

that's really complicated...

 

based on the results of other competitions in the 1983-1985 period, I'd say:

 

-48kg: ITA > URS > BUL

 

-62kg: URS > GDR > BUL

 

-90kg: USA > URS > BUL

 

p.s. the names you've posted for the FR are from Freestyle Wrestling 

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Wikipedia says they were competing in Greco

 

never trust wiki then!

[rafalgorka 1,375]

4 minutes ago, rafalgorka said:

Wikipedia says they were competing in Greco

 

never trust wiki then!

Or not.

 

It was my mistake.

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So the real results were:

 

Day 4

 

Wrestling Greco-Roman

 

Men's 48kg

 

LA - 1. Vincenzo Maenza ITA 2. Markus Scherer FRG 3. Ikuzo Saito JPN

FR - 1. Bratan Tzenov BUL 2. Csaba Vadasz HUN 3. Reinaldo Jimenez CUB

 

Men's 62kg

 

LA - 1. Kim Weon Kee KOR 2. Kent-Olle Johansson SWE 3. Hugo Dietsche SUI

FR - 1. Kamadar Madzhidov URS 2. Zhivko Vangelov BUL 3. Guenter Reichelt GDR

 

Men's 90kg

 

LA - 1. Steve Fraser USA 2. Ilie Matei ROM 3. Frank Andersson SWE

FR - 1. Igor Kanygin URS 2. Norbert Novenyi HUN 3. Jindrich Durcak TCH

 

 

Now should be ok.

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Time to finish Day 4 in LA.

 

Wrestling Greco-Roman - Men's 48kg

 

1. Vincenzo Maenza ITA LA1

2. Bratan Tzenov BUL FR1

3. Csaba Vadasz HUN FR2

 

Maenza is superior here ofc.

 

Wrestling Greco-Roman - Men's 62kg

 

1. Kamadar Madzhidov URS FR1

2. Zhivko Vangelov BUL FR2

3. Guenter Reichelt GDR FR3

 

This weightclass is 100% Friendships imo.

 

Wrestling Greco-Roman - Men's 90kg

 

1. Steve Fraser USA L1

2. Igor Kanygin URS F1

3. Ilie Matei ROM L2

 

First US vs USRR battle for gold in combat sports!

The one and only US Gold on Day 4.

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Medal table after Day 4 (36 events)

 

11-5-7---23

10-6-8---24

5-4-1---10

3-10-3---16

2-1-2---5

2-1-1---4

1-3-1---5

1-2-0---3

1-0-0---1

0-2-3---5

0-1-4---5

0-1-3---4

0-0-2---2

0-0-1---1

0-0-1---1