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Fencing FIE World Cup 2022 - 2023 Road to Paris 2024


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2 hours ago, phelps said:

AFAIK Poznan and Tauber have already been cancelled.

I wonder what will happen with the European Championships. They can't do anything about it, it's part of the European Games and it will be Poland. There's no way that Poland will allow Russians there and it would look awful if they take fencing out of the European Games just because FIE wants Russians to be part of this sport. 

 

And the most important of it all: what does Italy think? Because they are hosting the World Championships. Russians will have an incredibly hard time to qualify to Paris if they can't attend the WCh. And it would obviously be an enormous scandal if Milan cancels the WCh. 

 

And there are also two more WC events in Europe this season, in :FRA and :ESP

 

FIE can't possibly move the entire fencing calendar out of Europe. :lol:

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This is why I don’t understand the push to include Russians and Belarusians as neutrals. I mean, I understand the moral argument behind it, but from a business and public relations stand point, I really don’t get it. There were not NOCs lining up to cancel and boycott events when those athletes were banned, even the nations viewed as more sympathetic to those athletes were not really making it a front page issue. It may not have been an ideal status quo, but it was a tenable business/operations/public relations environment.
 

Now, fencing, and depending on IOC decisions this week, maybe the rest of international sport, have been thrown right back into uncertainty and politically fraught environments. It just seems detrimental to the global image and business opportunities of international sport.

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8 hours ago, Olympian1010 said:

This is why I don’t understand the push to include Russians and Belarusians as neutrals. I mean, I understand the moral argument behind it, but from a business and public relations stand point, I really don’t get it. There were not NOCs lining up to cancel and boycott events when those athletes were banned, even the nations viewed as more sympathetic to those athletes were not really making it a front page issue. It may not have been an ideal status quo, but it was a tenable business/operations/public relations environment.
 

Now, fencing, and depending on IOC decisions this week, maybe the rest of international sport, have been thrown right back into uncertainty and politically fraught environments. It just seems detrimental to the global image and business opportunities of international sport.

The push comes from Russian money. Nobody is bribing them to ban Russians, but they sure get a lot of money if they cancel the ban. Fencing is a small sport where Russians have a ton of influence as they are one of the three top European nations besides Italy and France. I am sure certain people in FIE got their bribes. It's very important for Russia to have their athletes at the Games, they know it very well that it would be a big win for them on the international stage as it would be a sign that the world doesn't care enough about the war or Ukraine to sever ties with Russia and its people for a longer period of time.

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World Cup + Grand Prix medal table after 58 events

 

:ITA 15-17-17

:FRA 10-6-21

:HUN 9-2-5

:USA 6-5-7

:KOR 5-5-6

:JPN 3-2-10

:GEO 2-3-1

:GRE 2-1-4

:POL 2-0-1

:BRA 2-0-0

:ESP 1-1-2

:BUL 1-0-0

:CHN 0-2-4

:UKR 0-2-3

:HKG 0-2-2

:GER 0-2-1

:KAZ 0-1-1

:SUI 0-1-1

:AZE 0-1-0

:BEL 0-1-0

:COL 0-1-0

:IRI 0-1-0

:ISR 0-1-0

:VEN 0-1-0

:CZE 0-0-2

:EGY 0-0-2

:CAN 0-0-1

:EST 0-0-1

:GBR 0-0-1

 

 

Individual events medal table

 

:ITA 10-9-14

:HUN 7-1-3

:USA 4-1-6

:FRA 3-6-17

:GEO 2-3-1

:JPN 2-1-5

:GRE 2-1-4

:POL 2-0-0

:BRA 2-0-0

:ESP 1-1-2

:CHN 0-2-3

:HKG 0-2-2

:KOR 0-1-3

:UKR 0-1-2

:KAZ 0-1-1

:BEL 0-1-0

:COL 0-1-0

:GER 0-1-0

:ISR 0-1-0

:SUI 0-1-0

:EGY 0-0-2

:CAN 0-0-1

:CZE 0-0-1

:EST 0-0-1

:GBR 0-0-1

 

 

Team events medal table

 

:FRA 7-0-4

:ITA 5-8-3

:KOR 5-4-3

:USA 2-4-1

:HUN 2-1-2

:JPN 1-1-5

:BUL 1-0-0

:GER 0-1-1

:UKR 0-1-1

:AZE 0-1-0

:IRI 0-1-0

:VEN 0-1-0

:CHN 0-0-1

:CZE 0-0-1

:SUI 0-0-1

 

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Team event WR points ranking before the start of the Olympics qualification. Currently only :ITA and :FRA has 6/6 Olympic spots. And obviously a lot will change if certain "neutral" teams will appear as they would very likely take 6 team spots.

 

 

 

  Sum ME WE MF WF MS WS
:ITA 2088 344 340 400 448 268 288
:FRA 1934 412 336 273 324 223 366
:KOR 1865 260 424 203 200 448 330
:USA 1580 153 253 380 344 238 212
:JPN 1487 262 141 328 292 208 256
:HUN 1464 276 190 159 167 376 296
:CHN 1157 201 230 157 228 191 150
:GER 1137 148 169 147 218 255 200
:UKR 1041 182 211 155 169 174 149
:POL 1009 119 239 202 201 74 174
:CAN 1006 116 123 163 240 196 168
:ESP 954 161 90 112 201 163 227
:EGY 936 146 170 230 112 206 72
:HKG 858 70 215 215 133 138 87
:GBR 575 58 68 165 121 83 80
:ROU 511 0 116 8 123 164 100
:BRA 464 36 62 124 94 68 80
:SUI 460 250 202 0 0 8 0
:SGP 451 32 64 88 149 56 62
:AUT 431 83 50 120 156 22 0
:VEN 429 218 70 32 25 40 44
:ISR 425 198 157 62 8 0 0
:KAZ 382 142 0 0 0 92 148
:COL 366 122 36 34 38 108 29
:ALG 359 32 40 52 52 48 135
  ...
:IRI 250 8 16 0 0 210 16
:AZE 245 24 0 0 0 0 221

 

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Men's Team Epee (:ARG Buenos Aires)

 

Gold: :HUN Hungary

Silver: :VEN Venezuela

Bronze: :CZE Czechia

 

Semifinals

Hungary b. Czechia 35-28

Venezuela b. Kazakhstan 45-37

 

Bronze Medal Match

Czechia b. Kazakhstan 45-33

 

Gold Medal Match

Hungary b. Venezuela 32-26

 

Full Ranking & Results

https://engarde-service.com/index.php?lang=en&Organisme=federacion_argentina_de_esgrima&Event=tiem2023&Compe=equipos

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11 hours ago, Vektor said:

I wonder what will happen with the European Championships. They can't do anything about it, it's part of the European Games and it will be Poland. There's no way that Poland will allow Russians there and it would look awful if they take fencing out of the European Games just because FIE wants Russians to be part of this sport. 

 

And the most important of it all: what does Italy think? Because they are hosting the World Championships. Russians will have an incredibly hard time to qualify to Paris if they can't attend the WCh. And it would obviously be an enormous scandal if Milan cancels the WCh. 

 

And there are also two more WC events in Europe this season, in :FRA and :ESP

 

FIE can't possibly move the entire fencing calendar out of Europe. :lol:

I'm almost sure that the World Champs will never be cancelled.

 

I still have no idea on what the Italian Government will do with :RUS & :BLR instead.

 

will they be allowed to enter our Territory?

 

my guess is that this decision is not even in the hands of our Government, but the US's (we are just a colony for them, there's no need to hide that almost every important decision on foreign affairs is taken under the advice -order- of the US and solely in their interest).

 

however, if I have to bet my 2 cents, I think that in the end :RUS & :BLR will participate to the World Champs, if the IOC will not ban them officially at any level.

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