hckošice 13,217 Posted July 1, 2022 #11 Share Posted July 1, 2022 6 minutes ago, LDOG said: And more important, World Rugby is just like FIFA, they want their World Cup to be the main event. Commercially it's the 2nd most succesful world championship event after the football one. That is surprising to read Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDOG 2,199 Posted July 1, 2022 #12 Share Posted July 1, 2022 8 minutes ago, hckošice said: That is surprising to read At least that's what World Rugby claims though I suspect Cricket World Cup may have a say in that. hckošice 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phelps 6,782 Posted July 1, 2022 #13 Share Posted July 1, 2022 3 hours ago, LDOG said: At least that's what World Rugby claims though I suspect Cricket World Cup may have a say in that. naaaa...that's true because the Cricket Board makes everything to keep the game within the very few Countries where it's a big thing... they always find the way to keep the rest of the world with dark screens even for their flagship events... the Rugby Board, instead, makes all the efforts to keep the game within the usual suspects on the field, but they always find the way to promote their events and let all the world watch them... from a certain point of view, the rugby guys are a lot smarter than the Cricket ones... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto 4,201 Posted July 2, 2022 #14 Share Posted July 2, 2022 I tried to keep this realistic as possible (considering the IOC loves gender equality and Urban). In an ideal world id cut breakdancing, skateboarding and surfing but we know that won't happen. Aquatics - Artistic Swimming [2] - 12 quotas Women's Duet (w) - Cut to 16 duets from 22. Women's Team (w) Aquatics - Diving [8] - No change 3m springboard (m/w) 10m Platform (m/w) Synchronised 3m Springboard (m/w) Synchronised 10m Platform (m/w) Aquatics - Swimming [37] - No change 50m Freestyle (m/w) 100m Freestyle (m/w) 200m Freestyle (m/w) 400m Freestyle (m/w) 800m Freestyle (m/w) 1500m Freestyle (m/w) 4x100m Freestyle Relay (m/w) 4x200m Freestyle Relay (m/w) 100m Breaststroke (m/w) 200m Breaststroke (m/w) 100m Butterfly (m/w) 200m Butterfly (m/w) 100m Backstroke (m/w) 200m Backstroke (m/w) 200m Individual Medley (m/w) 400m Individual Medley (m/w) 4x100m Medley Relay (m/w/mixed) 10km Open Water (m/w) Aquatics - Water Polo [2] - no change Tournament (m/w) Archery [5] - no change Individual Recurve (m/w) Team Recurve (m/w/mixed) Athletics [49] - Remove mixed team race walk and add 35k walk for women and men separately 100m (m/w) 200m (m/w) 400m (m/w) 800m (m/w) 1500m (m/w) 5000m (m/w) 10,000m (m/w) 110m/100m Hurdles (m/w) 400m Hurdles (m/w) 3000m Steeplechase (m/w) 4x100m Relay (m/w) 4x400m Relay (m/w/mixed) Marathon (m/w) 20km Race Walk (m/w) 35km Team Race Walk (mixed) Long Jump (m/w) Triple Jump (m/w) High Jump (m/w) Pole Vault (m/w) Shot Put (m/w) Discus Throw (m/w) Javelin Throw (m/w) Hammer Throw (m/w) Heptathlon (w) Decathlon (m) Badminton [5] - no change Singles (m/w) Doubles (m/w/mixed) Basketball [4] - - no change 3x3 Tournament (m/w) Tournament (m/w) Breaking [2] - - no change B-Boys (m) B-Girls (w) Boxing [13] - Remove a men's weight to make it even, cut quotas to 192 (16 per category) -56 quotas TBD Men's weights TBD Women's weights Canoeing - Slalom [6] - no change K-1 (m/w) C-1 (m/w) Extreme (m/w) Canoeing - Sprint [12] - Add back the K1-200 events, move women K-1 500 to 1000m. 16 additional quotas(8 per event) K-1 500m (w) K-1 1000m (m) K-2 500m (m/w) K-4 500m (m/w) C-1 200m (w) C-1 1000m (m) C-2 500m (m/w) Cycling - BMX [4] - no change BMX Race (m/w) Park (m/w) Cycling - Mountain Bike [2] - no change Men's/Women's Race (m/w) Cycling - Road [4] - no change Road Race (m/w) Time Trial (m/w) Cycling - Track [12] - no change Individual Sprint (m/w) Team Sprint (m/w) Team Pursuit (m/w) Keirin (m/w) Omnium (m/w) Madison (m/w) Equestrian [6] - CUT 10 quotas per discipline -30 Individual Dressage (mixed) Team Dressage (mixed) Individual Jumping (mixed) Team Jumping (mixed) Individual Eventing (mixed) Team Eventing (mixed) Fencing [12] - no change Individual Foil (m/w) Team Foil (m/w) Individual Épée (m/w) Team Épée (m/w) Individual Sabre (m/w) Team Sabre (m/w) Field Hockey [2] - CUT sport out entirely. Boring, and not urban enough, besides it is on the bottom of the IOC's revenue list. -384 quotas Tournament (m/w) Football [2] U-23 Tournament (m/w) Golf [2] - Cut field to 48 per gender (-24 quotas) Individual Stroke Play (m/w) Gymnastics - Artistic [14] - Cut 12 quotas (6 per gender) Individual All-Around (m/w) Team All-Around (m/w) Floor (m/w) Vault (m/w) Pommel Horse (m) Rings (m) Parallel Bars (m) Horizontal Bar (m) Balance Beam (w) Uneven Bars (w) Gymnastics - Rhythmic [2] - Individual All-Around (w) Group All-Around (w) Gymnastics - Trampoline [2] Individual (m/w) Handball [2] Tournament (m/w) Judo [15] - Remove team event 7 Men's weights 7 Women's weights Team Event (mixed) Modern Pentathlon [2] - Remove sport entirely. -72 quotas Individual (m/w) Rowing [14] - no change Single Sculls (m/w) Double Sculls (m/w) Lightweight Double Sculls (m/w) Quadruple Sculls (m/w) Pairs (m/w) Fours (m/w) Eights (m/w) Rugby Sevens [2] - no change Tournament (m/w) Sailing [10] - no change 49er (m) 49er FX (w) ILCA 6 (w) ILCA 7 (m) iQ Foil (m/w) Kiteboarding (m/w) 470 (mixed) Nacra 17 (mixed) Shooting [15] - no change 10m Air Rifle (m/w/mixed team) 50m Rifle 3 Positions (m/w) 10m Air Pistol (m/w/mixed team) 25m Pistol (w) 25m Rapid Fire Pistol (m) Trap (m/w) Skeet (m/w/mixed team) Skateboarding [4] - no change Park (m/w) Street (m/w) Sport Climbing [4] - no change Bouldering & Lead Combined (m/w) Speed (m/w) Surfing [2] - no change Shortboard (m/w) Table Tennis [5] - no change Singles (m/w) Doubles (mixed) Team (m/w) Taekwondo [8] - no change 4 Men's weights 4 Women's weights Tennis [5] - no change Singles (m/w) Doubles (m/w/mixed) Triathlon [3] - no change Individual Race (m/w) Mixed Team Relay (mixed) Volleyball - Beach [2] - no change Tournament (m/w) Volleyball - Indoor [2] - no change Tournament (m/w) Weightlifting [10] - no change 5 Men's weights 5 Women's weights Wrestling [18] - no change 6 Men's Freestyle weights 6 Men's Greco-Roman weights 6 Women's Freestyle weights Additional Sport [x] No additional sports for now, but events added in other sports. Sports where i'd add quotas: -3x3 basketball goes to a 12 team tournament per gender (+32) -Add the K1-200 men and women in sprint and move women to 1000 from 500 in K-1 (+16) -Race walk men's and women's 35 km (replacing mixed team) (+40 ~) -Beach volleyball to a 32 team tournament per gender. (+32) -Water polo women, + 2 teams (+24) =+144 quotas Removed quotas: -Artistic swimming (-12) -Field hockey (-384) -Boxing (-56) -Equestrian (-30) -Golf (-24) -Gymnastics (artistic) (-12) -Modern pentathlon (-72) =-590 quotas 446 quotas leftover. Id use some to guarantee universality and not to bump qualified athletes in favour of those slots (in particular athletics). Also would allow host cities to add sports without impacting the current roster of sports. Removed events: -One boxing event in men's -Field hockey men and women -Modern Pentathlon - men's and women's -Judo team event Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FancyFenchel 106 Posted July 3, 2022 #15 Share Posted July 3, 2022 Oh… schön here we go again! I am internally torn between two oppositions. On the one hand I just want to reduce the number of events per/or discipline to create a dense and compact schedule. Where everyone event is unique and all the very best athletes of the sport are competing against each other in the same event. This will made also easier to follow to the fans and watch. On the other hand I want more sports and more events to have more Olympics. On some days I just want to reduce the swimming schedule to just like 10 events. On others I’m fine with actual plan, even though I get headache after watching 100+ swim races and trying somehow memorized who won medals, was in the final. I not sure how to solve this conflict. But a few things I like to change at the Olympics are: 1) Ultra controversial here: get rid of the medal table! Just do not sum medals from different sports, which are incomparable for sake of some nationalistic pride. 23 swimmers could win shit tone of medals for the table, while 23 footballer just one. Also if a country just focuses on maximising their medal output, could just invest in few sports, which are giving a lot of medals/discipline/athletes. Also state base doping system are resulting from the ambitions of being top on the medal table. Also the medal table is just reducing all the athletes, all their live and all the way to the Games and all the competition to just some number in the table. I hear a lot something like “How many medals we (<- our country) won? And why so little?” They don’t ask who get the medal, in which sport, how was the competition, what is their story, was it disappointment, was it lucky shot, was it fair. No they want to hear the single number. They don’t care about sport, about competition, about athletes. Also if we get rid of the medal table, we will have less discussion about this discipline needs more event, these have too much etc. Because the importance of the sport will less dependent on the number of medals you could get. 2) I like and I want a constancy of the Olympic programme. It doesn’t mean we could add or get rid of new sports or add new events etc. But I don’t like completely changing all the programme at every game, constantly adding something or just adding new sport for one games! 3) Less controversial things: Mixed events only if they are not redundant and adding something new to the games. Having mixed 4x400m (or swimming 4x100m free) additional to the men’s and women’s one make no sense. Adding something like mixed 4x800m or mixed team in some sport like triathlon is perfectly fine for me. 4) I think all this quota reducing is ridiculous. IOC we reduced quota to reduce the cost! Hey now we can add new sports with new venues to increase costs again! Absolutely genius. Furthermore, quotas are incomparable. We could have additional 50-100 cyclist for the road race, who only are only competing for the one day (professional cyclist are also used to sleep at different hotels evert night), they are not the same quota like some team sport with two-week tournament. Also how does the number of surfers on Tahiti interfere with number of athletes in Paris? Ok, I’m done. For now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
De_Gambassi 896 Posted August 27, 2022 #16 Share Posted August 27, 2022 Let's play a silly little game . Let's say that the games need to be saved, and for that they are going to be limited to only 100 events What do you save ? My 100 events : Aquatics - Diving [2] 10m Platform (m/w) Aquatics - Swimming [12] 100m Freestyle (m/w) 200m Freestyle (m/w) 400m Freestyle (m/w) 4x100m Freestyle Relay (m/w) 200m Individual Medley (m/w) 1500m Freestyle (m/w) Archery [2] Individual Recurve (m/w) Athletics [24] 100m (m/w) 400m (m/w) 800m (m/w) 10,000m (m/w) 110m/100m Hurdles (m/w) 4x100m Relay (m/w) Marathon (m/w) Long Jump (m/w) High Jump (m/w) Pole Vault (m/w) Discus Throw (m/w) Javelin Throw (m/w) Basketball [2] Tournament (m/w) Boxing [5] 5 Men's weights Cycling - Track [10] Individual Sprint (m/w) Team Sprint (m/w) Individual Pursuit (m/w) Team Pursuit (m/w) Point's Race (m/w) Equestrian [4] Individual Jumping (mixed) Team Jumping (mixed) Individual Eventing (mixed) Team Eventing (mixed) Fencing [7] Individual Foil (m/w) Individual Épée (m/w) Individual Sabre (m/w) Team Event Gymnastics - Artistic [12] Individual All-Around (m/w) Floor (m/w) Vault (m/w) Pommel Horse (m) Rings (m) Parallel Bars (m) Horizontal Bar (m) Balance Beam (w) Uneven Bars (w) Judo [6] 3 Men's weights 3 Women's weights Rowing [8] Single Sculls (m/w) Double Sculls (m/w) Quadruple Sculls (m/w) Eights (m/w) Tennis [2] Singles (m/w) Triathlon [2] Individual Race (m/w) Volleyball - Indoor [2] Tournament (m/w) Gone : Artistic Swimming / Water Polo / Badminton / Breaking (lol) / Canoeing / Cycling BMX/Road/MTB / Field Hockey / Football / Golf / Gymnastic Rhythmic/Trampoline / Handball / Modern Pentathlon / Rugby Sevens / Sailing / Shooting / Skateboarding / Sport Climbing / Surfing / Taekwondo / Table Tennis / Wrestling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hckošice 13,217 Posted August 27, 2022 #17 Share Posted August 27, 2022 the devil in me (do not listen to him) - All team sports directo pronto with all their balls and bats, followed by all new urban super additions a la Surfing, Breaking etc.. and to close it Boxing, Fencing and swimming (+ diving, synchro and marathon zzzwimming obviously included in the pack) should make the count, if it is still not enough then I can say farewell also to Sailing and extreme kayak the good lord in me - That was a terrible suggestion mon ami , we need to add more events and quotas, not reducing them. I want more sports with more olympic days. A 3 weeks olympics with 50 sports and cca 400 events would be awesome, + such numbers increase by default the mathematical chance for Slovakia to enter the medal table Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmc16 16 Posted August 27, 2022 #18 Share Posted August 27, 2022 Paris 2024 Summer Olympics Programme Aquatics - Artistic Swimming [0] (removed) Women's Duet (w) Women's Team (w) Aquatics - Diving [8] (no change) 3m springboard (m/w) 10m Platform (m/w) Synchronised 3m Springboard (m/w) Synchronised 10m Platform (m/w) Aquatics - Swimming [36] (mixed medley relay removed) 50m Freestyle (m/w) 100m Freestyle (m/w) 200m Freestyle (m/w) 400m Freestyle (m/w) 800m Freestyle (m/w) 1500m Freestyle (m/w) 4x100m Freestyle Relay (m/w) 4x200m Freestyle Relay (m/w) 100m Breaststroke (m/w) 200m Breaststroke (m/w) 100m Butterfly (m/w) 200m Butterfly (m/w) 100m Backstroke (m/w) 200m Backstroke (m/w) 200m Individual Medley (m/w) 400m Individual Medley (m/w) 4x100m Medley Relay (m/w/mixed) 10km Open Water (m/w) Aquatics - Water Polo [2] Tournament (m/w) Archery [4] (mixed team event removed) Individual Recurve (m/w) Team Recurve (m/w/mixed) Athletics [46] (mixed 4x400m relay & mixed race walk removed) 100m (m/w) 200m (m/w) 400m (m/w) 800m (m/w) 1500m (m/w) 5000m (m/w) 10,000m (m/w) 110m/100m Hurdles (m/w) 400m Hurdles (m/w) 3000m Steeplechase (m/w) 4x100m Relay (m/w) 4x400m Relay (m/w) Marathon (m/w) 20km Race Walk (m/w) Long Jump (m/w) Triple Jump (m/w) High Jump (m/w) Pole Vault (m/w) Shot Put (m/w) Discus Throw (m/w) Javelin Throw (m/w) Hammer Throw (m/w) Heptathlon (w) Decathlon (m) Badminton [5] Singles (m/w) Doubles (m/w/mixed) Basketball [2] (3x3 events removed) 3x3 Tournament (m/w) Tournament (m/w) Breaking [2] (removed) B-Boys (m) B-Girls (w) Boxing [13] TBD Men's weights TBD Women's weights Canoeing - Slalom [4] (extreme events removed) K-1 (m/w) C-1 (m/w) Extreme (m/w) Canoeing - Sprint [10] (don't know enough about it to make my own changes to distances/events) K-1 500m (w) K-1 1000m (m) K-2 500m (m/w) K-4 500m (m/w) C-1 200m (w) C-1 1000m (m) C-2 500m (m/w) Cricket [2] (sport added) Tournament (m/w) Cycling - BMX [2] (freestyle events removed) BMX Race (m/w) Park (m/w) Cycling - Mountain Bike [2] Men's/Women's Race (m/w) Cycling - Road [4] Road Race (m/w) Time Trial (m/w) Cycling - Track [12] Individual Sprint (m/w) Team Sprint (m/w) Team Pursuit (m/w) Keirin (m/w) Omnium (m/w) Madison (m/w) Equestrian [6] Individual Dressage (mixed) Team Dressage (mixed) Individual Jumping (mixed) Team Jumping (mixed) Individual Eventing (mixed) Team Eventing (mixed) Fencing [12] Individual Foil (m/w) Team Foil (m/w) Individual Épée (m/w) Team Épée (m/w) Individual Sabre (m/w) Team Sabre (m/w) Field Hockey [2] Tournament (m/w) Football [2] U-23 Tournament (m/w) Golf [2] Individual Stroke Play (m/w) Gymnastics - Artistic [14] Individual All-Around (m/w) Team All-Around (m/w) Floor (m/w) Vault (m/w) Pommel Horse (m) Rings (m) Parallel Bars (m) Horizontal Bar (m) Balance Beam (w) Uneven Bars (w) Gymnastics - Rhythmic [2] (removed) Individual All-Around (w) Group All-Around (w) Gymnastics - Trampoline [2] Individual (m/w) Handball [2] Tournament (m/w) Judo [14] (team event removed) 7 Men's weights 7 Women's weights Team Event (mixed) Modern Pentathlon [2] (sport removed) Individual (m/w) Rowing [14] Single Sculls (m/w) Double Sculls (m/w) Lightweight Double Sculls (m/w) Quadruple Sculls (m/w) Pairs (m/w) Fours (m/w) Eights (m/w) Rugby Sevens [2] Tournament (m/w) Sailing [10] 49er (m) 49er FX (w) ILCA 6 (w) ILCA 7 (m) iQ Foil (m/w) Kiteboarding (m/w) 470 (mixed) Nacra 17 (mixed) Shooting [12] (team events removed) 10m Air Rifle (m/w/mixed team) 50m Rifle 3 Positions (m/w) 10m Air Pistol (m/w/mixed team) 25m Pistol (w) 25m Rapid Fire Pistol (m) Trap (m/w) Skeet (m/w/mixed team) Skateboarding [4] (sport removed) Park (m/w) Street (m/w) Sport Climbing [6] (combined event separated into 2 disciplines) Bouldering (m/w) Lead (m/w) Bouldering & Lead Combined (m/w) Speed (m/w) Squash [5] (sport added) Singles (m/w) Doubles (m/w/mixed) Surfing [2] Shortboard (m/w) Table Tennis [5] Singles (m/w) Doubles (mixed) Team (m/w) Taekwondo [8] 4 Men's weights 4 Women's weights Tennis [5] Singles (m/w) Doubles (m/w/mixed) Triathlon [3] Individual Race (m/w) Mixed Team Relay (mixed) Volleyball - Beach [2] Tournament (m/w) Volleyball - Indoor [2] Tournament (m/w) Weightlifting [10] 5 Men's weights 5 Women's weights Wrestling [12] (Greco-Roman events removed) 6 Men's Freestyle weights 6 Men's Greco-Roman weights 6 Women's Freestyle weights Total medal events: 306 in 31 sports Total athletes: 10,500 (quota limit) Days of competition: 19 (including Day -2, Day -1 and Day 0 before the Opening Ceremony) I may make further edits as I think of other stuff I'd add Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olympian1010 7,470 Posted August 27, 2022 #19 Share Posted August 27, 2022 23 minutes ago, hckošice said: A 3 weeks olympics with 50 sports and cca 400 events would be awesome, So the Asian Games, but international? hckošice 1 “Sport has the power to change the world. It has the power to inspire. Sport can create hope where once there was only despair” - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hckošice 13,217 Posted August 28, 2022 #20 Share Posted August 28, 2022 7 hours ago, Olympian1010 said: So the Asian Games, but international? Now that I read while facing hangover, what I wrote here last night, I can declare with a full conscience that a lot of alcohol causes a lot of stupidity. Note to my sick me this morning: Never a good idea to post anything while half drunk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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