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2 minutes ago, JonPhi said:

In the end, it adds up whether you have to run 7.2km or 9km. Add to that the altitude and the slow conditions. 
We will see next week Tuesday how many distance runners are on the start list in the end. 

Yes, We will see. I will be very suprised if Karlsson is in the swedish team . :clap:

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14 minutes ago, JonPhi said:

At the world championships 2021 it was an relatively easy 1.2km sprint course in skating, here it will be a hard 1.5km sprint in classic. And Dahlqvist and Sundling would be still the favorites, because they are also very good in classic and have some distance skills. 
Jochen Behle said that he would even go for two distance runners on the difficult course because it is simply too demanding.

You can’t be serious? You think 1,2km and 1,5km is big difference but not 1,5km and 5km or more? 

 

So you think 1,5km from 1,2km will affect the pure sprinters but not 5km or more to 1,5km for long distance specialists? Hmm. 

 

Agree with the difference between classic and skating tough. 

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11 minutes ago, JonPhi said:

After all, it's not about her completing the lap faster than the pure sprinters. As the start runner in the team sprint, it's simply a matter of setting as high a pace as possible all three laps in order to give the final runner, optimally a sprinter, as much of a lead as possible. Because every meter that the start runner loses, the second runner must first make up, so that he may lack strength on the last lap. It is clear that Johaug would have no chance in the finish sprint, but that is not the task of the start runner. 
Just watch here Olympia 2018 how the distance runners in the second lap (from about 12:00) increase the pace so that the pure sprinters already get clear problems and in the third lap the pure sprinters then break away completely.: https://olympics.com/de/video/herren-team-sprint-finale-skilanglauf-pyeongchang-2018-wiederholung
In this format you just don't stand a chance with two pure sprinters. You need at least one who is also top in the distance range. That's why relay teams like Finland with Niskanen and Parmakoski are highly rated, even though neither of them are pure sprinters. 

So the reigning world champions in Women team sprint has no chance because they are pure sprinters? 

 

Or have the format drastically changed since World Championships 2021? 
 

:mumble:

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1 minute ago, JonPhi said:

Loop: 1.5km, three time in the semis and three time in the final: 3x2x1.5km = 9km

Ah I get it now. But still can’t be compared to long distance. The loop is still 1,5. Can Johaug who compete in 5 km or more handle it? Still it’s not the same as go for 5km. 

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6 minutes ago, Swewi said:

The distance relay is only 5km so not a big differ3ence really. however Sundling will be a safe option for both the team sprint and relay (1st or 4th leg). Karlsson would be great to but Dahlqvist is 100% in team sprints and Karlsson might get us disqualified so I would not choose her anyway:d

Still big difference between a loop on 5km and 1,5km. 

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7 minutes ago, JonPhi said:

Yes. A distance skiier only has to take the pace high over the loops, that the sprinters get in trouble in the third loop. 3x4.5km x 2 is the program for the Team Sprint for each athlete with Semis and Final. 
In 2018 also Sundby was in the Norwegian team and he is definitely not a sprinter. Likewise the French, Manificat.

We will see on Tuesday, but I’m pretty sure many teams will have at least one distance skiier in their team. 

Where do you get that info from? 

 

My scource says the team sprint loop is 1,5km. 

 

https://www.olympiandatabase.com/index.php?id=109658&L=1

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15 minutes ago, JonPhi said:

The team sprint is not a real sprint. The distance is 9 km for each skier. Niskanen and Parmakoski are classic specialists and would not have been medal contenders today. Their focus is on Thursday 10km classic. And why is Karlsson out? Apart from that she was already in the final in classic sprint this season. 
And there's nothing against Johaug competing, the relay is on Saturday and the 30k only a week later on Sunday. 
 

The result list of the last classic team sprint at the Olympic Games, on similarly difficult courses, already shows that there always has to be at least one distance runner in the team: https://medias2.fis-ski.com/pdf/2014/CC/3063/2014CC3063RL.pdf
The Olympic champion in the individual sprint Falla, for example, was not put up at all, because she was too weak over the distance at that time.

It is 6km for each skier. It’s still sprint since they go 1-2km each lap. Do you really think Johaug, Karlsson ect can act as it is distance race? 

 

So Karlsson should be in the team ahead of Sundling, Dahlqvist or even Ribom? Are you serious? 

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7 minutes ago, JonPhi said:

Yes I am also talking about the Team Sprint. And yes the Swedes are certainly top favorite with Dahlqvist/Sundling or Karlsson/Sundling.
In the team sprint the running time for the women will probably be over 11 minutes per athlete, because the course is so difficult, means pure sprinters can't really be used and the distance runner is more in demand. And there the Finns with Niskanen and Parmakoski are very much in demand, although they did not start here in the individual sprint.

And in addition, the race is run in the classic technique, and Brennan and Diggins are one class weaker than in the skating technique. And the Russians Stupak and Nepryeva are much stronger in classic than in freestyle. And I'm pretty sure that Johaug will also run in Norway and she will already be able to tear gaps in the third round.

So the favorites will be more Sweden, Finland, Russia and Norway (with Johaug) than the USA. 

Is Johaug even considered to go the team sprint? Even if you are the best long distance skier it doesn’t mean you are the best in sprint. The same for the Finns. Why didn’t they take part in the individual sprint if they are so good and considered favorites? 

 

Btw Karlsson will not go for Sweden in the team sprint. You need to see the difference between long distance and sprint. 

 

I don’t count out any team but for now Sweden and USA should be the favorites 

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