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Gianlu33    412

It's the time to follow the italian election results. I hope that the left will win in all big city. This election will be critical for Rome 2024 bid: if the right party (Marchini or Meloni :sick:) or the populist party (Movimento 5 stelle whit Raggi) will win we can say goodbay to our dream. 

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konig    207
23 minutes ago, Gianlu33 said:

It's the time to follow the italian election results. I hope that the left will win in all big city. This election will be critical for Rome 2024 bid: if the right party (Marchini or Meloni :sick:) or the populist party (Movimento 5 stelle whit Raggi) will win we can say goodbay to our dream. 

do you considerer yourself socialist or socialdemocrat?

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Gianlu33    412
1 minute ago, konig said:

do you considerer yourself socialist or socialdemocrat?

I'm a moderate communist :p 

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konig    207
3 minutes ago, Gianlu33 said:

I'm a moderate communist :p 

well in politics we wont have much in common, im liberal :p, i acept your "right" is particularly bad, Berlusconi is a good example of that.

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Gianlu33    412

 

5 minutes ago, konig said:

well in politics we wont have much in common, im liberal :p, i acept your "right" is particularly bad, Berlusconi is a good example of that.

Wait a moment :p For some reason i am liberal too. I have a very compless political thought. I am agaist all racist form (religion, sex orientament, race or other). In Italy actually I haven't a candidate with my own ideas.. 

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LDOG    264
hace 2 minutos, Gianlu33 said:

 

Wait a moment :p For some reason i am liberal too. I have a very compless political thought. I am agaist all racist form (religion, sex orientament, race or other). In Italy actually I haven't a candidate with my own ideas.. 

 

Konig uses "liberal" in a different sense than you do, he would be what in Europe you call a "conservative". Like Merkel, Rajoy, Cameron, etc

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konig    207
2 hours ago, LDOG said:

 

Konig uses "liberal" in a different sense than you do, he would be what in Europe you call a "conservative". Like Merkel, Rajoy, Cameron, etc

well for me liberal and conservatives are two parts of the"rigth" but it isnt the same: the conservatives are who sostein the traditional values, the liberals sostein the free market and the state has the less intromition in your live, for example with low taxes.

In my particular case, im closer with the austrian liberal school of Ludwig Von Misesand and Friedrich Hayek, the comunism and fascism are two strong forms of statism, and the socialist, socialdemocrats etc etc are anothers forms of statism, "ligth form".

you probably will laugh but for us the kirchnerism was a very statism form of goverment (for me comunist but its my opinion) and Macri and his goverment is closer the same,a socialdemocrat goverment but with a big statism too.

when somebody call our goverment like "liberal" or inclusive conservative, i always think ¿where?, ¿for what?

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LDOG    264
1 hour ago, konig said:

well for me liberal and conservatives are two parts of the"rigth" but it isnt the same: the conservatives are who sostein the traditional values, the liberals sostein the free market and the state has the less intromition in your live, for example with low taxes.

In my particular case, im closer with the austrian liberal school of Ludwig Von Misesand and Friedrich Hayek, the comunism and fascism are two strong forms of statism, and the socialist, socialdemocrats etc etc are anothers forms of statism, "ligth form".

you probably will laugh but for us the kirchnerism was a very statism form of goverment (for me comunist but its my opinion) and Macri and his goverment is closer the same,a socialdemocrat goverment but with a big statism too.

when somebody call our goverment like "liberal" or inclusive conservative, i always think ¿where?, ¿for what?

 

I think the reason of that may be that you are not really liberal, but libertarian. And fortunately that won't ever exist in a culture like ours which has a strong concept of collectivism. Just a few wackos like you or Jose Luis Espert thrown around :d (no offense)

 

Also Macri isn't anything, he doesn't have any ideology or plan. Calling him liberal or socialdemocrat or anything is thinking too highly of his or his team's intelectual capacity. He's just a product of marketing who has some blurred, scattered, ideas about economy/government and practicises them erratically even though many are contradictory to each other. 

 

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konig    207
47 minutes ago, LDOG said:

 

I think the reason of that may be that you are not really liberal, but libertarian. And fortunately that won't ever exist in a culture like ours which has a strong concept of collectivism. Just a few wackos like you or Jose Luis Espert thrown around :d (no offense)

 

Also Macri isn't anything, he doesn't have any ideology or plan. Calling him liberal or socialdemocrat or anything is thinking too highly of his or his team's intelectual capacity. He's just a product of marketing who has some blurred, scattered, ideas about economy/government and practicises them erratically even though many are contradictory to each other. 

 

i cant be ofend, is like you say: we are a very few persons, even we fail when we want to make the liberal libertarian party, we dont have enough people to exist.....ironicaly, we are like the "Troskos" in being a minority wich never obtein more than a few congresman.

i cant defend Macri but some of his team is interesting for me, in all the other things you say, i  agree.

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Gianlu33    412

I read a lot of news about Brexit but all media was confused :lol: 

What is the real situation in GB? @Quasit maybe you can help me? :mumble:

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