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heywoodu

Speed Skating ISU World Cup 2017 - 2018

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De_Gambassi    205
il y a 1 minute, heywoodu a déclaré:

 

Which I think is odd. Why force everyone to start in national colours in cross-country or biathlon? I much prefer for example the cross-country classics (Worldloppet?), like Marcialonga and Vasaloppet, where they do have commercial teams. There's commercial teams in track cycling too, or in cyclo-cross, which is definitely both very much individual. 

 

Having professional teams increases exposure for the sponsors = sponsors win

Having professional teams makes it easier for athletes to train together = athletes win

 

There's no reason why it should all be national teams (imagine Sven Kramer and Jorrit Bergsma in one team, haha. They'd rather die)

 

Commercial teams in track or cyclo-cross are mostly (only ?) offsets of pro road cycling teams, aren't they ?

 

Anyway, I don't think it's an oddity that commercial teams are so rare and few between them in individual sports. What exposure is there for a sponsor when the notion of "team"  doesn't really exist in the first place ? I believe that's why the concept took off in road cycling, but not really (at all ?) in track cycling (and track cycling was really, really popular at one point in history).

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heywoodu    2,030
2 minutes ago, De_Gambassi said:

 

Commercial teams in track or cyclo-cross are mostly (only ?) offsets of pro road cycling teams, aren't they ?

 

Anyway, I don't think it's an oddity that commercial teams are so rare and few between them in individual sports. What exposure is there for a sponsor when the notion of "team"  doesn't really exist in the first place ? I believe that's why the concept took off in road cycling, but not really (at all ?) in track cycling (and track cycling was really, really popular at one point in history).

 

They skate with their names on the suits, that's exposure. They train as a team and function as a team, which is why you often see people from one team all perform good or bad roughly at the same time. The exposure is them skating with the suits of sponsors. 

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De_Gambassi    205
il y a 4 minutes, heywoodu a déclaré:

 

They skate with their names on the suits, that's exposure. They train as a team and function as a team, which is why you often see people from one team all perform good or bad roughly at the same time. The exposure is them skating with the suits of sponsors

 

Well, I get that. My interrogation is not sponsors, what are they for ? :p But why, in one case (speed skating) the sponsors led to the creation of commercial teams, and that in pretty every other cases it didn't (some of them being much more popular sports than speed skating).

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heywoodu    2,030
1 minute ago, De_Gambassi said:

 

Well, I get that. My interrogation is not sponsors, what are they for ? :p But why, in one case (speed skating) the sponsors led to the creation of commercial teams, and that in pretty every other cases it didn't (some of them being much more popular sports than speed skating).

 

Because it worked and everyone thought "hey, this works, let's keep doing it" :p 

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De_Gambassi    205
il y a 1 minute, heywoodu a déclaré:

 

Because it worked and everyone thought "hey, this works, let's keep doing it" :p 

 

Maybe :p

 

Who was the first commercial team ?

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heywoodu    2,030
3 minutes ago, De_Gambassi said:

 

Maybe :p

 

Who was the first commercial team ?

 

Rintje Ritsma, one of the best ever, had enough of skating for the national federation (which didn't exactly provide much of a living) and said goodbye to them in 1995. Eventually he/his manager started the first commercial team (Sanex), which eventually became the famous (in speed skating) TVM team, with the likes of Kramer. TVM stopped a few years ago and the main team now is LottoNL-Jumbo, which I believe was the second commercial team in 1998 (as SpaarSelect). 

https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanex_(schaatsploeg)

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Nate River    115

Would I be right to say that sprinters (especially in the 500m) seem to take the world cup a lot more seriously than especially the long distance skaters?

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heywoodu    2,030
53 minutes ago, Nate River said:

Would I be right to say that sprinters (especially in the 500m) seem to take the world cup a lot more seriously than especially the long distance skaters?

Hard to say. For example Sven Kramer is sort of injured and I guess there's no reason for him to risk getting hurt more just for a World Cup (which doesn't mean that much considering he's got 9 world allround titles for starters) :p 

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Nate River    115
5 minutes ago, heywoodu said:

Hard to say. For example Sven Kramer is sort of injured and I guess there's no reason for him to risk getting hurt more just for a World Cup (which doesn't mean that much considering he's got 9 world allround titles for starters) :p 

I don’t mean this farce of a world cup finale specifically, I mean in general.

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heywoodu    2,030

Herzog thought she won the 500m, and then, minutes later, the time of Russian Golikova gets changed to a 0,10 seconds (!) faster time all of a sudden resulting in Golikova as winner :lol:

 

Yeah, this fits perfectly in this insane farce of a World Cup final. 

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