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Alpine Skiing at the Winter Olympic Games 2018

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Shiffrin    5
1 minute ago, OlympicsFan said:

Yeah ... Dreßen, who won Kitzbühel, being 0.07 ahead of Svindal, despite Svindal having a huge mistake, is a complete miracle ... and now for Innerhofer the wind must have suddenly gotten much better again ...

Innerhofer was faster at 2nd training plus you’re obviously biased if you think speed guys would only be just a second in front of Hirscher lol

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heywoodu    1,622

'Random' American (of course a good skier) doing well, nobody saw that coming :d Too bad he gave it away at the end 

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LowerSaxony    20
vor 3 Minuten schrieb Shiffrin:

Because the track is much slower now, or do you think all speed specialists are just all having bad runs?

 

It’s clear first 5 skiers had a big advantage.

How would you say this when Svindal's +0.07sec with a huge mistake? Facts vs emotions?

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OlympicsFan    139
vor 4 Minuten schrieb Shiffrin:

Innerhofer was faster at 2nd training plus you’re obviously biased if you think speed guys would only be just a second in front of Hirscher lol

On this course it isn't that surprising that Hirscher is so close. It are only about 80 seconds and it looks more like a Super-G. If you want, i can search for results of previous combined events, i am sure that Hirscher/Pinturault being about 1.25% slower than the top time happend before.

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Shiffrin    5
Just now, LowerSaxony said:

How would you say this when Svindal's +0.07sec with a huge mistake? Facts vs emotions?

Or you know Svindal would be even faster? Just because he was +0.07 behind Dressen doesn’t mean he wouldn’t be even better in fair conditions.

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dcro    1,395
1 minute ago, heywoodu said:

'Random' American (of course a good skier) doing well, nobody saw that coming :d Too bad he gave it away at the end 

 

Surprise, surprise, wind again increased (to the direction of their back).

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Shiffrin    5
Just now, OlympicsFan said:

On this course it isn't that surprising that Hirscher is so close. It are only about 80 seconds and it looks more like a Super-G. If you want, i can search for results of previous combined events, i am sure that Hirscher/Pinturault being about 1.25% slower than the top time happend before.

Let me refer to you to the 2nd training where Hirscher was +3.91 seconds behind on this same course, while he may not have been going 100%, it’s still stupid to think his run today wasn’t helped by great conditions as opposed to later bibs.

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LowerSaxony    20
vor 1 Minute schrieb Shiffrin:

Or you know Svindal would be even faster? Just because he was +0.07 behind Dressen doesn’t mean he wouldn’t be even better in fair conditions.

Of course we don't. How could we? But it shows that even later BIBs have a chance to beat Dressen. Btw we do not see around 40% of the course.

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OlympicsFan    139
vor 2 Minuten schrieb Shiffrin:

Or you know Svindal would be even faster? Just because he was +0.07 behind Dressen doesn’t mean he wouldn’t be even better in fair conditions.

Svindal wasn't much ahead of Dreßen in training + Svindal had a big mistake today, i don't think it's out of this world to think that Dreßen might just have been better today ... Even if we say that the wind changed, it can't have been more than 0.2/0.3 seconds of a difference. Do you think that Svindal would have been 1 second ahead of Dreßen on this short/easy track? Even before the competition the Eurosport guys said that the conditions today are more in favor of Dreßen than Svindal, because Svindal is much more agressive and that doesn't work very well with the snow conditions today.

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Shiffrin    5
Just now, LowerSaxony said:

Of course we don't. How could we? But it shows that even later BIBs have a chance to beat Dressen. Btw we do not see around 40% of the course.

As I said, track has been getting gradually worse, which I think it’s pretty obvious to see. 

 

My point still stands, Hirscher was extremely lucky to get the bib2, it was the best possible bib today for skiers ranked 11-20 on start list rankings.

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OlympicsFan    139
vor 6 Minuten schrieb Shiffrin:

Let me refer to you to the 2nd training where Hirscher was +3.91 seconds behind on this same course, while he may not have been going 100%, it’s still stupid to think his run today wasn’t helped by great conditions as opposed to later bibs.

I think it's stupid to draw anything from the training runs, the course is completely different + (as Dreßen said before the race) the snow conditions completely changed (much more agressive), but i see that you are not willing to talk about facts, so why not save us both some time?

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