OlympicsFan 782 Posted February 21, 2018 #991 Share Posted February 21, 2018 vor 4 Stunden schrieb Andry84: Italy is not overperforming at all in alpine skiing and also in the other disciplines, Italy is in the 5th place if you consider the top 10 placements, the problem of Italy is the lack of a serial winner like Fourcade, Dahlmeier, Klaebo, Kuzmina, Frenzel, Wust and many others who can start to win 3,4,5 medals; but we have a lot of medal contenders, many very good athletes in many disciplines considering that we don't exist in snowboard and ski freestyle (probably Klotz is the only decent athlete). If this is not overperforming, then there must be some websites that predicted this result. Tumulero, Windisch, biathlon mixed relay, Brignone, shorttrack team relay all weren't favorites for the medals, so you won tons of surprising medals. The only big disappointments so far were Windisch and maybe Wierer in the individual. You are 1 gold medal away from overtaking South Korea and Austria in the medal table, no chance that anyone in Italy expected this. Attachment is the great fabricator of illusions; reality can be obtained only by someone who is detached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChandlerMne 620 Posted February 21, 2018 #992 Share Posted February 21, 2018 6 minutes ago, Майкл said: It will suit Nevena better Let's hope it's true To be objective and honest, even though it suits Nevena,i dont like this system at all. AC in theory is always more benefitial to slalom than donwhill racers. You can finish 30th in downhill and still win a gold. With shortening of the track, downhill specialists are in even worse position,that small advantage they could have dissapers. So,whole discipline isnt fair at all,and thats why there were many demands to exclude it from WC and OG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlympicsFan 782 Posted February 21, 2018 #993 Share Posted February 21, 2018 vor 9 Minuten schrieb Dunadan: Here you are...Sports Illustrated predicted 12 medals (4 gold) for Italy. https://www.si.com/olympics/2018/02/06/2018-olympics-medal-picks-pyeongchang-predictions Thanks, so they predicted 2 golds, 1 silver and 5 bronze for the events so far? How many medals does Italy have now ... ? Attachment is the great fabricator of illusions; reality can be obtained only by someone who is detached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunadan 1,103 Posted February 21, 2018 #994 Share Posted February 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, OlympicsFan said: Thanks, so they predicted 2 golds, 1 silver and 5 bronze for the events so far? How many medals does Italy have now ... ? No, they predicted 3 golds (Wierer, Moioli, team sprint) and 9 medals for the events so far, which is exactly the Italian medal count so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlympicsFan 782 Posted February 21, 2018 #995 Share Posted February 21, 2018 vor 7 Minuten schrieb Dunadan: No, they predicted 3 golds (Wierer, Moioli, team sprint) and 9 medals for the events so far, which is exactly the Italian medal count so far. Ok thanks, so Italy won tons of surprising medals still, but the medal count is the same, i guess we are both partly right. Any other websites! that predicted this? Attachment is the great fabricator of illusions; reality can be obtained only by someone who is detached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andry84 74 Posted February 21, 2018 #996 Share Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) 49 minutes ago, OlympicsFan said: dIf this is not overperforming, then there must be some websites that predicted this result. Tumulero, Windisch, biathlon mixed relay, Brignone, shorttrack team relay all weren't favorites for the medals, so you won tons of surprising medals. The only big disappointments so far were Windisch and maybe Wierer in the individual. You are 1 gold medal away from overtaking South Korea and Austria in the medal table, no chance that anyone in Italy expected this. It' s impossible to talk with you, you are Always wrong, i don't know if you are a Young boyor simply you don' t follow sports during the year but only during Olympics and you think that the 1st, 2nd, 3rd in ranking of the worldcups have to win medals. Medal in giant slalom wasn' t sure, but if you look the result of the 13 giant slalom , i think Italy has around 15 podiums, in men biathlon, if Fourcade and Boe make mistakes, there are probably 20 athletes that can achieve a podium, Windisch and Hofer are among these 20:Windisch disappointments in individual?t' s his worst format, ok i have understood, you don' t follow sports during the yar, you watch only the final results of races.In speed skatinh Italy, on paper, was just behind the podium in 5000, 10000 (probably not Tumolero, but Ghiotto) and team pursuit, it' s not a surprise winning 1 bronze. Edited February 21, 2018 by Andry84 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunadan 1,103 Posted February 21, 2018 #997 Share Posted February 21, 2018 33 minutes ago, OlympicsFan said: Ok thanks, so Italy won tons of surprising medals still, but the medal count is the same, i guess we are both partly right. Any other websites! that predicted this? The main Italian sports newspaper, La Gazzetta dello Sport, predicted 13 medals (4-5-4) in their preview on 9th February. I'm not subscribed to their digital edition, so here's a picture. They have been quite accurate until now in guessing the medallists https://imgur.com/a/clyqp (their predicted medallists: Moioli, Fontana, Brignone, team sprint, Goggia, Paris, short track Relay, Wierer, Lollobrigida, Tumolero, biathlon mixed Relay, Fischnaller, Kostner) Windisch won a medal instead of Wierer and Pellegrino won it individually and not in the team sprint, but you can see that even Tumolero was an expected medallist. My point is: many expected these results in Italy, even the NOC president set a goal of "more than 10 medals, 3 golds". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigs 68 Posted February 21, 2018 #998 Share Posted February 21, 2018 vor einer Stunde schrieb OlympicsFan: If this is not overperforming, then there must be some websites that predicted this result. Tumulero, Windisch, biathlon mixed relay, Brignone, shorttrack team relay all weren't favorites for the medals, so you won tons of surprising medals. The only big disappointments so far were Windisch and maybe Wierer in the individual. You are 1 gold medal away from overtaking South Korea and Austria in the medal table, no chance that anyone in Italy expected this. What you are saying is basically "all medals which weren't almost completely certain are surprises". There are events in which you don't have three clear favorites and in some of those you'll make a medal, in some of those you won't. It's not surprising the Italian men's ski team didn't win a medal in the speed events but it also wouldn't have been surprising if they had won one. Same for the women in the gs. Seriously, calling brignone's medal a surprise is just ridiculous. Btw, Arndt Peiffer's gold medal is not a surprise to you but Windisch winning any medal is? De_Gambassi, stamura84 and heywoodu 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlympicsFan 782 Posted February 21, 2018 #999 Share Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) vor 49 Minuten schrieb Andry84: It' s impossible to talk with you, you are Always wrong, i don't know if you are a Young boyor simply you don' t follow sports during the year but only during Olympics and you think that the 1st, 2nd, 3rd in ranking of the worldcups have to win medals. Medal in giant slalom wasn' t sure, but if you look the result of the 13 giant slalom , i think Italy has around 15 podiums, in men biathlon, if Fourcade and Boe make mistakes, there are probably 20 athletes that can achieve a podium, Windisch and Hofer are among these 20:Windisch disappointments in individual?t' s his worst format, ok i have understood, you don' t follow sports during the yar, you watch only the final results of races.In speed skatinh Italy, on paper, was just behind the podium in 5000, 10000 (probably not Tumolero, but Ghiotto) and team pursuit, it' s not a surprise winning 1 bronze. Ok, so if you need to insult people, you are clearly out of arguments. Where did i say that top 3 in world cup have to win the medals? I just disagreed that someone who is the 4th most likely to medal (Brignonen, Tumulero) should be called "medal favorite" that is all, but apparently you think differently. I understand your confusion, i wanted to say that the only disappointments so far were "Visintin and Wierer in the individual", sorry about that. Calling Windisch a surprising medallist and then saying that him not winning a medal (in the individual) was a disappointment would have made no sense indeed ... Edited February 21, 2018 by OlympicsFan Attachment is the great fabricator of illusions; reality can be obtained only by someone who is detached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlympicsFan 782 Posted February 21, 2018 #1000 Share Posted February 21, 2018 vor 4 Minuten schrieb Gigs: What you are saying is basically "all medals which weren't almost completely certain are surprises". There are events in which you don't have three clear favorites and in some of those you'll make a medal, in some of those you won't. It's not surprising the Italian men's ski team didn't win a medal in the speed events but it also wouldn't have been surprising if they had won one. Same for the women in the gs. Seriously, calling brignone's medal a surprise is just ridiculous. Btw, Arndt Peiffer's gold medal is not a surprise to you but Windisch winning any medal is? Yeah, i would say something that is not expected (let's say more than 50% probability) but still happens is a surprise ... Then by your defintion, what exactly would have been a surprise in women's giant slalom? The gold for Peiffer of course is a surprise, but not that he medalled, he was sprint world champion before, what about Windisch, what did he win so far? Attachment is the great fabricator of illusions; reality can be obtained only by someone who is detached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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