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Volleyball Qualification for Summer Olympic Games 2016

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hoversaBR    54
4 minutes ago, OlympicsFan said:

Alexander Markin was tested positive for Meldonium after the match against Germany at the european qualification tournament, this might mean that Russia wont be allowed to play in Rio, so Germany might get a second chance to qualify and France could qualify directly. 

I hope that it wont happen, Russia didnt win because of one doped player and they deserve to be in Rio. We threw away the Olympics in the match against Poland, so we dont really deserve to be in Rio in my opinion. If they find a second russian player who was doped, then Russia will definitely be suspended.

I do not think that's possible, is it? Anyway, if by chance, accused other players ,Russia should be disqualified.

Edited by hoversaBR

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OlympicsFan    231
Just now, DaniSRB said:

during the european qualifications it was actually legal, so because of this they can't be definitely suspended

Really? It became illegal at the start of 2016 and the qualification tournament was in January ... :mumble:

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DaniSRB    517
Just now, OlympicsFan said:

Really? It became illegal at the start of 2016 and the qualification tournament was in January ... :mumble:

opps, i don't know why i had feeling it was in december :lol:

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dareza    638
Just now, Vojthas said:

You do deserve the Olympics, just because of the match against Poland and sensational bronze at World Champs. And the anti-doping rules are obvious - if one athlete from the team or in some sports relay is caught, the whole team is disqualified. I don't see the reason why this should be changed.

no... what about Sweden and Lativa in ice hockey in 2014?;)

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OlympicsFan    231
Just now, Vojthas said:

You do deserve the Olympics, just because of the match against Poland and sensational bronze at World Champs. And the anti-doping rules are obvious - if one athlete from the team or in some sports relay is caught, the whole team is disqualified. I don't see the reason why this should be changed.

We are among the 8 best teams in the world, so you could say that we deserve to be in Rio, but everything was on our side (home advantage, we were leading against Poland) and we still managed to finish 4th, so this team obviously didnt have the nerves to do it and therefore doesnt deserve Rio in my opinion.

I think the rule is as like that:

1 doping case: IOC has to decide if they want to suspend the team

2 doping cases: The team has to be suspended

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Vojthas    58

It looks like the second Russian player to be caught is just a matter of time.

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hoversaBR    54
Just now, OlympicsFan said:

We are among the 8 best teams in the world, so you could say that we deserve to be in Rio, but everything was on our side (home advantage, we were leading against Poland) and we still managed to finish 4th, so this team obviously didnt have the nerves to do it and therefore doesnt deserve Rio in my opinion.

I think the rule is as like that:

1 doping case: IOC has to decide if they want to suspend the team

2 doping cases: The team has to be suspended

Of those eight teams, four were exactly the semifinalists of this European qualifying. So a team would have to be out of the Rio, were unfortunately you.  So, I think your team deserves to be in Rio.

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OlympicsFan    231
2 minutes ago, hoversaBR said:

I do not think that's possible, is it? Anyway, if by chance, accused other players ,Russia should be disqualified.

Possible? Yes

Realistic? No

I think our only chance would be if a second russian player will get caught.

Suspending Russia would create tons of problems:

Would Bulgaria be allowed to "replay" the semifinal against Germany?

Would Germany be allowed to "replay" the final against France or would France qualify directly? 

This all would be too complicated, so they will probably change nothing, unless a 2nd player gets caught, then they will be forced to act.

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OlympicsFan    231
3 minutes ago, hoversaBR said:

Of those eight teams, four were exactly the semifinalists of this European qualifying. So a team would have to be out of the Rio, were unfortunately you.  So, I think your team deserves to be in Rio.

I would really like to see german volleyball in Rio, especially because this would be the last big tournament for many of our players (Grozer for example) and for our coach (he will quit his job later this year), but its very unlikely that IOC will suspend such a big team and in addition to that we had our chance to qualify in a fair competition and we werent able to do it, so it wouldnt feel right to see the german team in Rio. I think there is noone who really thinks that Russia won because of Markin, they also wouldve won without him.

Edit: I have to say that i am pretty sad about all of this, because our women also were extremely "unlucky" to not qualify. If i would be able to give a ticket to Rio to one of our volleyball teams, then i would definitely give it to our womens team.

Edited by OlympicsFan

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The women had a somewhat easier tournament. It was still difficult enough, but for the men it was really, really hard. I truly think that there wasn't as difficult a qualification in any other sport than this European tournament. Because of this I would always give the tickets for the men first. Anyway, the World Qualifier is at the end of May, so our team should better start preparing, just in case.

Edited by EselTheDonkey
Fixing Typo

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VolleyRuller96    166

Well, the general secretary of Russian Volley Federation said lately that he "doesn't expect" FiVB to analyze Rusian results or to  disqualify Russia and hopes it will stay that way. To be honest it reminds me of last year's world league, where Russian volleyball authorities were also pretty sure that they country won't be relegated to division II even before FIvB announced their decision.

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De_Gambassi    271

FIVB regulations

 

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Where one member of a volleyball team has been notified of an anti-doping rule violation 
under Article 7  during an  Event Period, the ruling body for the  Event  a)  shall conduct 
appropriate Target Testing  of the team during the  Event Period; and b) may decide that 
the team shall be subject  to  Disqualification  from the  Event  or other disciplinary action, 
including forfeit of game(s)  or of any medals and prizes,  in addition to any 
Consequences  imposed upon the individual  Athlete(s)  committing the anti-doping rule 
violation. 
Factors to be included in considering whether to impose any sanction on  a volleyball team 
under this Article  might include, for example, the seriousness of the  Athlete’s anti-doping 
rule violation,  whether the  Athlete  tested negative in  other games  of the same  Event,  the 
extent to which  the team’s  result(s) in the game and/or  Event  in which the anti-doping 
rule violation occurred were likely to have been affected by the  Athlete's anti-doping rule 
violation etc

 

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