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De_Gambassi

World Roller Games 2017

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phelps    90
5 minutes ago, De_Gambassi said:

 

so, right now (5-5), we're fucked ? 

 

I guess you are...

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De_Gambassi    85
il y a 4 minutes, phelps a déclaré:

 

I guess you are...

 

Yeah...

 

Thanks, to this fantastic drawing system, having 3 great games against 3 of the best 4 teams will lead us to play for the 9-16th places. Fantastic.

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De_Gambassi    85
il y a 14 minutes, phelps a déclaré:

 

well, since I don't know how many people are folowing the other disciplines, I don't have any clue to give you an answer that makes sense...

 

for sure, Rink Hockey doesn't have as much followers in China as it would get in Southern Europe or in South America...

 

A failure in the sense, that one of the (if not the) points of these games was probably to make each of these disciplines bigger by holding them together, and not just one by one. Just like the Olympics are making every sport bigger by holding them together (to a much, much lesser scale obv.)

 

I don't really know neither if it is working for the other roller disciplines (doesn't look like it is though), but for both hockey, it really doesen't. 

 

If anything, both hockey are losing  (attendance, media attention, etc.) with these Worl roller Games if you comparethem to previous world championships.

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phelps    90
9 minutes ago, De_Gambassi said:

 

Yeah...

 

Thanks, to this fantastic drawing system, having 3 great games against 3 of the best 4 teams will lead us to play for the 9-16th places. Fantastic.

 

yeah, I think this system is really unfair for the second tier teams and a gift to the third tier teams...

on the other hand, I understand the idea of the International Federation to limit the humiliating scores for those smaller teams like Austria, South Africa and so on, avoiding them to play in the group phase against the big powerhouses like Spain, Argentina and Portugal (who normally score tons of goals against those smaller Hockey Nations)...

I guess that they should find something different half way from this but not going back to the old 35-0 days...

let's see what they decide in the next few seasons about it...

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phelps    90
4 minutes ago, De_Gambassi said:

 

A failure in the sense, that one of the (if not the) points of these games was probably to make each of these disciplines bigger by holding them together, and not just one by one. Just like the Olympics are making every sport bigger by holding them together (to a much, much lesser scale obv.)

 

I don't really know neither if it is working for the other roller disciplines (doesn't look like it is though), but for both hockey, it really doesen't. 

 

If anything, both hockey are losing  (attendance, media attention, etc.) with these Worl roller Games if you comparethem to previous world championships.

 

I understand your point of view...

 

and basically I agree with you...

 

for sure I can tell you that our National TV for the first time in many, many years is not broadcasting the Rink Hockey tournament, while they always did it in the past when Rink Hockey had their World Champs standalone...:facepalm:

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De_Gambassi    85
il y a 6 minutes, phelps a déclaré:

 

yeah, I think this system is really unfair for the second tier teams and a gift to the third tier teams...

on the other hand, I understand the idea of the International Federation to limit the humiliating scores for those smaller teams like Austria, South Africa and so on, avoiding them to play in the group phase against the big powerhouses like Spain, Argentina and Portugal (who normally score tons of goals against those smaller Hockey Nations)...

I guess that they should find something different half way from this but not going back to the old 35-0 days...

let's see what they decide in the next few seasons about it...

 

Not only that, but the brillant idea to use 2015 world championship results for the draw wich screw the balance between groups with Germany beeing the 4th best seeded team. Everybody knows what are the four rink hockey nations, don't screw that.

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De_Gambassi    85
il y a 11 minutes, phelps a déclaré:

 

I understand your point of view...

 

and basically I agree with you...

 

for sure I can tell you that our National TV for the first time in many, many years is not broadcasting the Rink Hockey tournament, while they always did it in the past when Rink Hockey had their World Champs standalone...:facepalm:

 

Well, that's a tragedy then. Because, really, rink hockey needs all the media attention it can get. Outside of Portugal, and Catalonia, it's a matter of survival.

 

No national or regional or local or even high school TV over here, but that's nothing new in France :rolleyes:

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De_Gambassi    85

Regarding, future competitions, you have to work with the available materials. You need to be pragmatic.

 

Tier 1:

ESP, POR, ITA, ARG

 

Tier 2:

FRA, SUI, GER, ANG, MOZ, CHI, COL

 

Tier 3:

ENG, US, NED, etc.

 

Considering that the tier 2 nations might occasionally upsetting tier 1 nations or at least running them very close (just like we saw with FRA-POR today), and that at the same time the tier 2 vs tier 3 matchs often end up with the same cricket scores than tier 1 vs tier 3 would. I'd go for a 12 teams A world championsip, 2 groups of five, with the four tier 1 nations always seeded as the top four, first team in each group directly to the semi finals, second and third teams to play off, last team to play out.

 

I'd also love to see some kind of an annual six nations rink hockey championship, but that's never going to happen :rolleyes:

 

 

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LDOG    181

In Argentina it's the opposite: The world championship hasn't been broadcasted on any nation-wide channel in years (since 2009 I think lol), but suddenly ESPN is broadcasting these Rink Hockey games!

 

This sport is only popular in one province (San Juan) and nowhere else in the country. Almost all our players are from there.

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phelps    90

Men's Rink Hockey Senior World Championships

 

Group A, Day #3

 

Argentina - Italy 6-1

Portugal - France 6-5

 

Final Standings

 

ARG, 9 pts

ITA, 6 pts

POR, 3 pts

FRA, 0 pts

 

Group B, Day #3

 

Chile - Germany 7-3

Spain - Mozambique 3-2

 

Final Standings

 

ESP, 9 pts

MOZ, 6 pts

CHI, 3 pts

GER, 0 pts

 

 

FIRS Cup

 

Group A, Final Standings

 

COL, 9 pts

AUT, 6 pts

MAC, 1 pt

RSA, 1 pt

 

Group B, Final Standings

 

ANG, 9 pts

NED, 6 pts

EGY, 3 pts

USA, 0 pts

 

 

World Championships Quarterfinals

 

Thursday, all times CET

 

h.06.30: Spain – Colombia
h.08.30: Mozambique – Portugal
h.10.30: Chile – Italy
h.12.30: Angola – Argentina

 

P.S. All games will be streamed live on the Roller Games TV

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De_Gambassi    85
Il y a 2 heures , LDOG a déclaré:

In Argentina it's the opposite: The world championship hasn't been broadcasted on any nation-wide channel in years (since 2009 I think lol), but suddenly ESPN is broadcasting these Rink Hockey games!

 

This sport is only popular in one province (San Juan) and nowhere else in the country. Almost all our players are from there.

 

Is there any particular reason for that ?

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