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Biathlon 2016 - 2017 Discussion Thread

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The range allocation for Friday's IBU Cup sprints in Beitostoelen has been published, which gives an interesting insight in the participating nations. For the women, here is the list:

http://ibu.blob.core.windows.net/docs/1617/BT/SIBU/CP01/SWSP/BT_C45C2_1.0.pdf

 

I see Moldova is on it, which would be cool, because last year there were no Moldovan women in any competition that gives IBU points :)

 

Some other interesting nations are for example Turkey (Büsra Günes I guess), Bosnia & Herzegovina (Tanja Karisik, Dejana Kosarac, Sanja Kusmuk), Greece (Maria Tsakiri who seems to have improved a lot) and Georgia. That last one can almost only mean Angela Bandur will compete again, which is cool :d Last year she competed in the single mixed in Ridnaun but a full-on shooting drama meant her partner barely even skied. 

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Yep, just heard it is indeed Angela Bandur/Banduri who is back, that's awesome :cheer:

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12 hours ago, heywoodu said:

The range allocation for Friday's IBU Cup sprints in Beitostoelen has been published, which gives an interesting insight in the participating nations. For the women, here is the list:

http://ibu.blob.core.windows.net/docs/1617/BT/SIBU/CP01/SWSP/BT_C45C2_1.0.pdf

 

I see Moldova is on it, which would be cool, because last year there were no Moldovan women in any competition that gives IBU points :)

 

Some other interesting nations are for example Turkey (Büsra Günes I guess), Bosnia & Herzegovina (Tanja Karisik, Dejana Kosarac, Sanja Kusmuk), Greece (Maria Tsakiri who seems to have improved a lot) and Georgia. That last one can almost only mean Angela Bandur will compete again, which is cool :d Last year she competed in the single mixed in Ridnaun but a full-on shooting drama meant her partner barely even skied. 

Maybe for Moldova it will be Alexandra Camensic? She competed at Sochi 2014 and at the WCH in 2015. 

What's interesting for me is that Britain has another female, as does Croatia. That hasn't happened for awhile. Both used to field relay teams occasionally but have since kind of faded.

But yeah it will be a very interesting group of races for sure. We could have a single mixed relay with Hungary, Bosnia, Spain, Georgia, Turkey, Macedonia, Greece, Croatia...Shame about the lack of Serbian women.

Whatever happened to Brazil, by the way? Are they planning to do any IBU cups this year? :)

 

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2 hours ago, ahjfcshfghb said:

Maybe for Moldova it will be Alexandra Camensic? She competed at Sochi 2014 and at the WCH in 2015. 

What's interesting for me is that Britain has another female, as does Croatia. That hasn't happened for awhile. Both used to field relay teams occasionally but have since kind of faded.

But yeah it will be a very interesting group of races for sure. We could have a single mixed relay with Hungary, Bosnia, Spain, Georgia, Turkey, Macedonia, Greece, Croatia...Shame about the lack of Serbian women.

Whatever happened to Brazil, by the way? Are they planning to do any IBU cups this year? :)

 

Croatia already did have Nika Blazenic last season, but she was not very impressive yet (278th and last position on the IBU Qualifying Points List actually). Yeah, Serbia had Sara Lucic last season, but with all due respect...she was shooting rather bad and when I saw her ski in Obertilliach..let's just say there was not a whole lot of speed in it. It'd be nice if they find someone who can ski at a decent pace and shoot alright :)

 

Brazil is absolutely going to be seen again this winter! Bruna Moura has been training like crazy all summer, increasing the intensity enormously compared to last summer and more than doubling the number of training hours (she's now at the same kind of weekly training hours as teams like Germany), apart from moving to another city to live in an appartment paid by the national federation so she can be a full-time athlete :)

 

Brazil won't compete in the 1st IBU Cup semester this time, mostly because of the locations. Starting the season in Beitostoelen, then travelling to Ridnaun and Obertilliach would be too expensive, so they'll start in Martell in January, then go to Arber (both of which I am planning to visit to stay and travel with the team for 2 weeks) and the Open European Championships in Poland. That doesn't mean there's no Brazilian biathlon next month, because Gabi Neres, Caio Moreira and (new name!) Lucas Martins will compete in the IBU Junior Cup starting in Lenzerheide :cheer: Bruna is too old for the Junior Cup, so she'll practice her skills as staff member there :p 

 

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, heywoodu said:

Croatia already did have Nika Blazenic last season, but she was not very impressive yet (278th and last position on the IBU Qualifying Points List actually). Yeah, Serbia had Sara Lucic last season, but with all due respect...she was shooting rather bad and when I saw her ski in Obertilliach..let's just say there was not a whole lot of speed in it. It'd be nice if they find someone who can ski at a decent pace and shoot alright :)

 

Brazil is absolutely going to be seen again this winter! Bruna Moura has been training like crazy all summer, increasing the intensity enormously compared to last summer and more than doubling the number of training hours (she's now at the same kind of weekly training hours as teams like Germany), apart from moving to another city to live in an appartment paid by the national federation so she can be a full-time athlete :)

 

Brazil won't compete in the 1st IBU Cup semester this time, mostly because of the locations. Starting the season in Beitostoelen, then travelling to Ridnaun and Obertilliach would be too expensive, so they'll start in Martell in January, then go to Arber (both of which I am planning to visit to stay and travel with the team for 2 weeks) and the Open European Championships in Poland. That doesn't mean there's no Brazilian biathlon next month, because Gabi Neres, Caio Moreira and (new name!) Lucas Martins will compete in the IBU Junior Cup starting in Lenzerheide :cheer: Bruna is too old for the Junior Cup, so she'll practice her skills as staff member there :p 

 

 

 

 

Yeah I do remember Serbia had a bunch of junior females at some point, all of whom were quite weak. I guess it just needs development over there. 

Wow, really?! That's awesome! I've been out of touch, sorry, haha. So she does plan to try and make the Olympics??

I will be cheering for them :d

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Just now, ahjfcshfghb said:

Yeah I do remember Serbia had a bunch of junior females at some point, all of whom were quite weak. I guess it just needs development over there. 

Wow, really?! That's awesome! I've been out of touch, sorry, haha. So she does plan to try and make the Olympics??

I will be cheering for them :d

Also where did you manage to find a list of IBU Qualifying points?

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Just now, ahjfcshfghb said:

Yeah I do remember Serbia had a bunch of junior females at some point, all of whom were quite weak. I guess it just needs development over there. 

Wow, really?! That's awesome! I've been out of touch, sorry, haha. So she does plan to try and make the Olympics??

I will be cheering for them :d

Last season there was a young Serbian girl who competed in somewhere between 5-10 competitions and had a shooting hit rate of 12% if I'm not mistaken...she made Slovakia's athletes look like sharp shooters :p 

Ah, found her, young Inesa Zekic: http://biathlon.com.ua/profile.php?lang=eng&id=4774

I remember a Serbian user here on Totallympics saying that it's all a bunch of "who is friends with the boss" in Serbian biathlon..obviously it's hard to judge for me as outsider, but maybe @dareza or @DaniSRB knows more about that :)

 

Bruna is definitely giving everything she's got for the 2018 Olympics, she's fully focussed on making that instead of the original plan of 2022. The only "negative" thing is that it seems a little more likely that she'll qualify in cross-country, because the qualification for biathlon has been made extremely hard for small nations. The document still says "not applicable" under "Reallocation of unused quota", so if unused quota places aren't reallocated, that would make it incredibly hard. I know biathlon is her big love though and she will try everything she can to qualify for the Olympic biathlon next season..which I think she can do if she keeps focussed :d 

 

By the way, I'm still hoping Lucas Lima and/or Rhaick Bonfim (you can look them up on the FIS website if you want to see their results) will try biathlon within a couple of years..in recent months they have been growing so much and even though they're only from 2001 and 2002, they are very quickly becoming Brazil's best XC skiers, which is amazing! 

 

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8 minutes ago, ahjfcshfghb said:

Also where did you manage to find a list of IBU Qualifying points?

A very smart dude on Twitter made some sort of magical Excel thing for me :d 

 

I can import IBU's documents with IBU Qualifying Points for every race and it automatically converts it, makes the calculations and presents the current list. Qualification quota depend on it, yet IBU never even publishes it...so we had to find another way :p 

 

If I'm not mistaken, the 5 or 6 highest ranked athletes from countries that didn't already qualify (e.g. countries that are outside the Nations Cup top-22) will earn a quota for their country, with a maximum of 2 per NOC. After last season, the ranking of athletes from non-top-22-countries looks like this for the women:

 

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12 hours ago, ahjfcshfghb said:

Maybe for Moldova it will be Alexandra Camensic? She competed at Sochi 2014 and at the WCH in 2015. 

 

 

Turns out it's Snejana Tiseeva, 21st at last year's JWCH sprint and individual...for Ukraine :mumble:

 

http://ibu.blob.core.windows.net/docs/1617/BT/SIBU/CP01/SWSP/BT_C51A_1.0.pdf

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9 hours ago, heywoodu said:

Last season there was a young Serbian girl who competed in somewhere between 5-10 competitions and had a shooting hit rate of 12% if I'm not mistaken...she made Slovakia's athletes look like sharp shooters :p 

Ah, found her, young Inesa Zekic: http://biathlon.com.ua/profile.php?lang=eng&id=4774

I remember a Serbian user here on Totallympics saying that it's all a bunch of "who is friends with the boss" in Serbian biathlon..obviously it's hard to judge for me as outsider, but maybe @dareza or @DaniSRB knows more about that :)

 

Bruna is definitely giving everything she's got for the 2018 Olympics, she's fully focussed on making that instead of the original plan of 2022. The only "negative" thing is that it seems a little more likely that she'll qualify in cross-country, because the qualification for biathlon has been made extremely hard for small nations. The document still says "not applicable" under "Reallocation of unused quota", so if unused quota places aren't reallocated, that would make it incredibly hard. I know biathlon is her big love though and she will try everything she can to qualify for the Olympic biathlon next season..which I think she can do if she keeps focussed :d 

 

By the way, I'm still hoping Lucas Lima and/or Rhaick Bonfim (you can look them up on the FIS website if you want to see their results) will try biathlon within a couple of years..in recent months they have been growing so much and even though they're only from 2001 and 2002, they are very quickly becoming Brazil's best XC skiers, which is amazing! 

 

Hahaha. Also I think there was this Bosnian girl who regularly missed 5+5. Snezana Borovcanin I think her name was. I'm rooting for Slovakia as well as the Czechs this year. I kind of wish victory on them :p Maybe they could pull it off in the women's relay with Kuzmina?

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Bruna have to take Brazil to 30th in the nations cup? Because for that she'd have to beat out either Spain, Hungary or Bosnia, all of whom have athletes of a greater class :( But cross-country would be cool, too! Maybe even a team sprint with Mourao :d

Are Lima and Bonfim already on the level of say Bourguinguon or Lutz? I recall they were biathletes last year? 

Thanks for the list by the way. What quotas do you mean? I thought the quota system followed the pattern as seen in these tables:

http://www.neveitalia.it/sport/biathlon/worldcup/news/i-contingenti-femminili-per-la-coppa-del-mondo-2016-17-litalia-sale-a-6-posti

http://www.neveitalia.it/sport/biathlon/worldcup/news/i-contingenti-maschili-per-la-coppa-del-mondo-2016-17-litalia-torna-a-5-posti

(Interesting to note as well that China are making a return to the men's World Cup after awhile! They kind of lost out after Netherlands got a wildcard but never used it because their whole team fled to Sweden :P)

Interesting. Wonder what happened to Camensic and Pinzaru.

Also, yes, Great Britain has two new women! :O

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9 hours ago, ahjfcshfghb said:

Hahaha. Also I think there was this Bosnian girl who regularly missed 5+5. Snezana Borovcanin I think her name was. I'm rooting for Slovakia as well as the Czechs this year. I kind of wish victory on them :p Maybe they could pull it off in the women's relay with Kuzmina?

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Bruna have to take Brazil to 30th in the nations cup? Because for that she'd have to beat out either Spain, Hungary or Bosnia, all of whom have athletes of a greater class :( But cross-country would be cool, too! Maybe even a team sprint with Mourao :d

Are Lima and Bonfim already on the level of say Bourguinguon or Lutz? I recall they were biathletes last year? 

Thanks for the list by the way. What quotas do you mean? I thought the quota system followed the pattern as seen in these tables:

http://www.neveitalia.it/sport/biathlon/worldcup/news/i-contingenti-femminili-per-la-coppa-del-mondo-2016-17-litalia-sale-a-6-posti

http://www.neveitalia.it/sport/biathlon/worldcup/news/i-contingenti-maschili-per-la-coppa-del-mondo-2016-17-litalia-torna-a-5-posti

(Interesting to note as well that China are making a return to the men's World Cup after awhile! They kind of lost out after Netherlands got a wildcard but never used it because their whole team fled to Sweden :P)

Interesting. Wonder what happened to Camensic and Pinzaru.

Also, yes, Great Britain has two new women! :O

 

Aren't those lists of NeveItalia only for this season's World Cup and World Championships? Qualifying a quota place for the women's WCH should be quite easy: all Nations Cup top-3 nations get at least one quota and then there are 10 tickets left for countries outside the top-30, which last year would have meant that almost every nation with an athlete with IBU points (so who competed in WC/IBU Cup/Open European) would qualify at least one quota, with Georgia and Croatia being the only exceptions I think. The bigger thing there is that there are individual eligibility rules. Getting a total of less than 180 points (and so qualifying for the WCH) is arguably Bruna's biggest goal this season:

 

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Which by the way leads to the following situation:

 

World Championships --> Getting a quota for your nation is easier than being eligible to compete

Olympics --> Being eligible to compete (same as above, part a needs 2 results of 150 or less points) is easier than getting a quota for your nation 

 

Bourguignon and Lutz have indeed been biathletes for quite a while now (I think together they have combined 15+ biathlon seasons in their pocket), but I'm not sure they'll do it again this year. If they want to have any chance of qualifying for the Olympics, biathlon is simply really not going to work. All due respect, but after years and years they're still all the way in the back of IBU Cups...so cross-country is basically their only chance. Based on the past summer, physical tests and rollerskiing competitions I'd say Lima and Bomfim are at least at the same level, possibly already higher. I'm not sure if they'll be given the chance for 2018 or if the Brazilian federation really wants to focus on Victor Santos, but they might actually be Brazil's top-2 athletes if they keep going like this for another year :)

 

 

 

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19 minutes ago, heywoodu said:

 

Aren't those lists of NeveItalia only for this season's World Cup and World Championships? Qualifying a quota place for the women's WCH should be quite easy: all Nations Cup top-3 nations get at least one quota and then there are 10 tickets left for countries outside the top-30, which last year would have meant that almost every nation with an athlete with IBU points (so who competed in WC/IBU Cup/Open European) would qualify at least one quota, with Georgia and Croatia being the only exceptions I think. The bigger thing there is that there are individual eligibility rules. Getting a total of less than 180 points (and so qualifying for the WCH) is arguably Bruna's biggest goal this season:

 

0a4ae8ce42.png

 

Which by the way leads to the following situation:

 

World Championships --> Getting a quota for your nation is easier than being eligible to compete

Olympics --> Being eligible to compete (same as above, part a needs 2 results of 150 or less points) is easier than getting a quota for your nation 

 

Bourguignon and Lutz have indeed been biathletes for quite a while now (I think together they have combined 15+ biathlon seasons in their pocket), but I'm not sure they'll do it again this year. If they want to have any chance of qualifying for the Olympics, biathlon is simply really not going to work. All due respect, but after years and years they're still all the way in the back of IBU Cups...so cross-country is basically their only chance. Based on the past summer, physical tests and rollerskiing competitions I'd say Lima and Bomfim are at least at the same level, possibly already higher. I'm not sure if they'll be given the chance for 2018 or if the Brazilian federation really wants to focus on Victor Santos, but they might actually be Brazil's top-2 athletes if they keep going like this for another year :)

 

 

 

Ah. Okay. I'll be rooting for them, then! I do think if Bruna has improved, she could make it. Wasn't it last year that she got under or around 200 points?

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7 minutes ago, ahjfcshfghb said:

Ah. Okay. I'll be rooting for them, then! I do think if Bruna has improved, she could make it. Wasn't it last year that she got under or around 200 points?

 

Last year her best result came in her last weekend, where she had 244 points at the sprint in Obertilliach (which was the 3rd time any Brazilian ever shot clean by the way) :p 

 

She has improved incredibly much so I am very confident that, with good shooting, she is capable of systematically going well below 200 points.. 

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By the way, www.biathlonresults.com has been all updated and renewed and everything...and now it doesn't work! 

 

It always worked so easy, but now it's like a huge maze and it doesn't work..

 

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