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Cross-Country Skiing 2016 - 2017 Discussion Thread

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heywoodu    2,027
11 minutes ago, dcro said:

 

"Additional" doesn't mean "additional to the basic quota". :p It's one additional provided that they have enough with athletes A standard.

 

 

Right, smart idea from FIS/IOC to use words/sentences that can be explained in two totally different ways :whistle:

 

Thanks :d 

 

Well, not really " :d " because it's actually rather grim news.. 

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heywoodu    2,027

Qualifying for 2014 seems to have been basically the same, right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-country_skiing_at_the_2014_Winter_Olympics_–_Qualification

 

How come Armenia could send 2 men, when they only had 1 athlete in the top-300 of the FIS Points List (distance)? 

 

Edit: Wait, the other athlete Armenia sent was 748th on the FIS Points List, but had only 86 FIS points, so he did have the A-standard..

I've rarely seen a qualifying system so insanely complicated..now I just really lost track of what this whole top-300 thing means and why "additional" has such a weird meaning. 

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dcro    1,762
11 minutes ago, heywoodu said:

Qualifying for 2014 seems to have been basically the same, right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-country_skiing_at_the_2014_Winter_Olympics_–_Qualification

 

How come Armenia could send 2 men, when they only had 1 athlete in the top-300 of the FIS Points List (distance)? 

 

Edit: Wait, the other athlete Armenia sent was 748th on the FIS Points List, but had only 86 FIS points, so he did have the A-standard..

I've rarely seen a qualifying system so insanely complicated..now I just really lost track of what this whole top-300 thing means and why "additional" has such a weird meaning. 

 

Yep, <100 FIS points means A standard, not top-300.

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heywoodu    2,027
3 minutes ago, dcro said:

 

Yep, <100 FIS points means A standard, not top-300.

 

I hope you don't mind me asking probably almost the same thing but in different words a ton more times in the next few days since the whole "how can a nation get two tickets in a specific gender?"-thing is of huge importance for two friends of mine who try to qualify, so I'm dead-set on getting it exactly right :p 

 

At least in biathlon it's all much easier to understand.

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heywoodu    2,027

Last question for today:

 

Imagine athletes A, B and C (all women from the same nation) all have less than 100 FIS points and are for example 210th, 310th and 350th on the FIS points list, does that mean this nation can send 3 women in XC? Asking because of all nations with no "Additional" quota (whatever that may be) in 2014, all of them only have either 1 or 2 per gender, none of them have 3.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-country_skiing_at_the_2014_Winter_Olympics_–_Qualification

 

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dcro    1,762
42 minutes ago, heywoodu said:

Last question for today:

 

Imagine athletes A, B and C (all women from the same nation) all have less than 100 FIS points and are for example 210th, 310th and 350th on the FIS points list, does that mean this nation can send 3 women in XC? Asking because of all nations with no "Additional" quota (whatever that may be) in 2014, all of them only have either 1 or 2 per gender, none of them have 3.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-country_skiing_at_the_2014_Winter_Olympics_–_Qualification

 

 

For 3rd athlete one of them has to be inside top 30.

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heywoodu    2,027

New question, this time about the FIS world championships. There's always a "qualification race" in the first days, which is 5km in the case of the women, where the top-x (10 I think) qualifies for the 10k with individual start later in the championships. Does anyone know what the rules are in terms of who does and doesn't have to participate in this race and who can start in the 10k without having to qualify first? 

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dcro    1,762
12 minutes ago, heywoodu said:

New question, this time about the FIS world championships. There's always a "qualification race" in the first days, which is 5km in the case of the women, where the top-x (10 I think) qualifies for the 10k with individual start later in the championships. Does anyone know what the rules are in terms of who does and doesn't have to participate in this race and who can start in the 10k without having to qualify first? 

 

It's decided by FIS points. If my memory serves me right, the last time it was 140.00 FIS points for women and 90.00 for men, or something like that. Although I guess it's possible for it to change from year to year.

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heywoodu    2,027
1 minute ago, dcro said:

 

It's decided by FIS points. If my memory serves me right, the last time it was 140.00 FIS points for women and 90.00 for men, or something like that. Although I guess it's possible for it to change from year to year.

I had a feeling it was something like that, which would make sense. Well damn, then it's 99% impossible for Bruna to not have to do the qualifying race and also quite certain she will have to qualify for the 10k the hard way in order to compete against Jacqueline Mourão for the first time :p 

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hckosice    1,184
28 minutes ago, heywoodu said:

New question, this time about the FIS world championships. There's always a "qualification race" in the first days, which is 5km in the case of the women, where the top-x (10 I think) qualifies for the 10k with individual start later in the championships. Does anyone know what the rules are in terms of who does and doesn't have to participate in this race and who can start in the 10k without having to qualify first? 

 

 

page 27 http://medias1.fis-ski.com/pdf/2017/CC/2217/2017CC2217PROG.pdf

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heywoodu    2,027
1 hour ago, hckosice said:

Life saver :bowdown:

 

Still one question though:

 

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A qualification competition (5 km for ladies and 10km for men) will be held on February 22nd 2017 for the athletes who didn’t reach these requirements. The top 10 ranked competitors will be allowed to start in the distance competitions (10/15km Interval Start, Skiathlon and 30/50 km Mass Start) as part of their nation’s quota under the condition that they have achieved less than 180 FIS points (including the penalty) for the ladies

 

This "less than 180 FIS points" means less tha 180 points in this qualification race I guess? As in, athletes who finish top-10 in the Q race and have less than 180 FIS points in the same race, will be allowed to start in the three distance competitions? That would be sort of weird, for example in Falun two years ago just the top-2 got less than 180 points and only a few even came close to that, but still the entire top-10 started in the 10km.

http://data.fis-ski.com/dynamic/results.html?sector=CC&competitorid=142625&raceid=24154

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hckosice    1,184
10 minutes ago, heywoodu said:

Life saver :bowdown:

 

yep, my average day :d

 

12 minutes ago, heywoodu said:

This "less than 180 FIS points" means less tha 180 points in this qualification race I guess? As in, athletes who finish top-10 in the Q race and have less than 180 FIS points in the same race, will be allowed to start in the three distance competitions? 

 

I guess yes thats the condition

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