ahjfcshfghb 285 Posted November 20, 2017 #221 Share Posted November 20, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, Dragon said: I now had it confirmed by the head of US bobsleigh that the IBSF have changed the qualification system slightly for 2018. In 2014 they used a system where you had to be in the top 40 or 50 of the world rankings (depending on the event) to qualify for the Olympics, In 2018 it's top 40 or 50 eligible crews of the world rankings. So USA no.4 or Germany's 4th best etc, are not counted for qualification rankings. This is for bobsleigh and skeleton. This is big news for Nigeria Could be good news for the athlete from Ghana, too. As it stands he's over 100th, and needs to be in the top 60. UPDATE: This is the Men's Skeleton Ranking List, but I've included only the top 3 athletes from each nation. Not sure if they would all count or if only the top 3 athletes from the top 2 NOCs would count, but this is the worst-case scenario for the Ghanian, and he still makes it (though only just) in the top 60. Since there are no other Africans- he just needs to hold his position and he's made it. 1 KOR YUN Sungbin 435 2 LAT DUKURS Martins 435 3 GER JUNGK Axel 392 4 RUS TRETIAKOV Alexander 376 5 LAT DUKURS Tomass 368 6 RUS TREGUBOV Nikita (Junior) 344 7 GER GROTHEER Christopher 336 8 AUT GUGGENBERGER Matthias 296 9 USA ANTOINE Matthew 288 10 GER GASSNER Alexander 248 13 CHN GENG Wenqiang (Junior) 230 14 KOR KIM Jisoo 224 15 CAN GRESZCZYSZYN Dave 224 16 CAN BOYER Kevin 224 18 GBR WYATT Marcus 206 19 NZL THORNBURY Rhys 202 20 RUS KULIKOV Pavel 202 21 GBR PARSONS Dominic Edward 196 22 CAN ROONEY Patrick 188 26 USA WEST Greg 170 27 USA DALY John 168 29 UKR HERASKEVYCH Vladyslav (Junior) 152 31 KOR JUNG Seunggi (Junior) 150 32 GBR RICE Jeremy 149 35 AUS FARROW John 142 36 AUT AUER Alexander 140 39 LAT NETLAUS Krists (Junior) 140 40 ESP MIRAMBELL Ander 136 44 JPN MIYAJIMA Katsuyuki (Junior) 125 46 ITA CECCHINI Joseph Luke 120 47 AUT MAIER Samuel (Junior) 120 48 JPN TAKAHASHI Hiroatsu 118 50 SUI AUDERSET Ronald 110 54 JPN SASAHARA Yuki 100 58 ROU VELICU Dorin 88 62 ISR SELIGSTEIN Joel 83 63 SUI ROHRER Marco 81 66 AUS TIMMINGS Nicholas 72 67 SWE OTTOSSON Rasmus 72 68 ISR EDELMAN Adam 71 71 ITA RETTENMYER Nicholas Adam 70 73 CHN YAN Wengang (Junior) 68 75 AUS TIMMINGS Dean 66 77 SUI GRAF Riet 66 80 ITA SCHWAERZER Manuel (Junior) 59 82 NOR HESTENGEN Alexander (Junior) 58 87 CHN CHEN Wenhao (Junior) 52 88 POL JAKOBCZYK Michal (Junior) 50 89 ISR SIDNEY Lawrence 50 90 LUX BAUER Jeff 48 91 ROU PACIOIANU Mihai Daniel (Junior) 48 94 ROU ENACHE Mihail Sebastian (Junior) 42 95 IRL DOYLE Brendan 42 96 JAM WATSON Anthony 38 97 TPE CHIANG Chun-Hung (Junior) 38 98 NOR HANSSEN Alex 36 99 BUL BANGIEV Marin 34 100 NOR SCHEIE Hakon (Junior) 34 102 POL POLYVACH VLADYSLAV (Junior) 28 106 GHA FRIMPONG Akwasi 24 107 SWE SAHLIN Ludvig (Junior) 23 108 SLO LORENCIC Denis 22 109 SWE ADLERS Carl (Junior) 20 110 NED ZEEGERS Bram (Junior) 20 119 MEX SOSA Reynaldo Arturo 11 120 NZL DELLA SANTINA Joe 9 121 ESP BELLVER CATALAN Sergi (Junior) 5 122 BRA PADUA Guilherme Augusto da Cunha 3 123 BEL FREELING Colin (Junior) Edited November 20, 2017 by ahjfcshfghb Added ranking list heywoodu, intoronto, uk12points and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto 4,200 Posted November 23, 2017 #222 Share Posted November 23, 2017 Also if Russia is banned.... it should move him up. ---- Also is officially now qualified! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcro 10,179 Posted November 23, 2017 #223 Share Posted November 23, 2017 (edited) Skier from Arabella Caroline Yili Ng (what a lovely name ) has appeared at races in Canada and should qualify easily. Edited November 23, 2017 by dcro NearPup 1 #banbestmen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intoronto 4,200 Posted November 25, 2017 #224 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Julia Marino has switched her focus to alpine skiing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcro 10,179 Posted November 29, 2017 #225 Share Posted November 29, 2017 Looks like Bolivia will compete in cross-country skiing too. konig 1 #banbestmen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon 1,690 Posted November 29, 2017 #226 Share Posted November 29, 2017 (edited) On 20/11/2017 at 04:49, ahjfcshfghb said: Could be good news for the athlete from Ghana, too. As it stands he's over 100th, and needs to be in the top 60. UPDATE: This is the Men's Skeleton Ranking List, but I've included only the top 3 athletes from each nation. Not sure if they would all count or if only the top 3 athletes from the top 2 NOCs would count, but this is the worst-case scenario for the Ghanian, and he still makes it (though only just) in the top 60. Since there are no other Africans- he just needs to hold his position and he's made it. 1 KOR YUN Sungbin 435 2 LAT DUKURS Martins 435 3 GER JUNGK Axel 392 4 RUS TRETIAKOV Alexander 376 5 LAT DUKURS Tomass 368 6 RUS TREGUBOV Nikita (Junior) 344 7 GER GROTHEER Christopher 336 8 AUT GUGGENBERGER Matthias 296 9 USA ANTOINE Matthew 288 10 GER GASSNER Alexander 248 13 CHN GENG Wenqiang (Junior) 230 14 KOR KIM Jisoo 224 15 CAN GRESZCZYSZYN Dave 224 16 CAN BOYER Kevin 224 18 GBR WYATT Marcus 206 19 NZL THORNBURY Rhys 202 20 RUS KULIKOV Pavel 202 21 GBR PARSONS Dominic Edward 196 22 CAN ROONEY Patrick 188 26 USA WEST Greg 170 27 USA DALY John 168 29 UKR HERASKEVYCH Vladyslav (Junior) 152 31 KOR JUNG Seunggi (Junior) 150 32 GBR RICE Jeremy 149 35 AUS FARROW John 142 36 AUT AUER Alexander 140 39 LAT NETLAUS Krists (Junior) 140 40 ESP MIRAMBELL Ander 136 44 JPN MIYAJIMA Katsuyuki (Junior) 125 46 ITA CECCHINI Joseph Luke 120 47 AUT MAIER Samuel (Junior) 120 48 JPN TAKAHASHI Hiroatsu 118 50 SUI AUDERSET Ronald 110 54 JPN SASAHARA Yuki 100 58 ROU VELICU Dorin 88 62 ISR SELIGSTEIN Joel 83 63 SUI ROHRER Marco 81 66 AUS TIMMINGS Nicholas 72 67 SWE OTTOSSON Rasmus 72 68 ISR EDELMAN Adam 71 71 ITA RETTENMYER Nicholas Adam 70 73 CHN YAN Wengang (Junior) 68 75 AUS TIMMINGS Dean 66 77 SUI GRAF Riet 66 80 ITA SCHWAERZER Manuel (Junior) 59 82 NOR HESTENGEN Alexander (Junior) 58 87 CHN CHEN Wenhao (Junior) 52 88 POL JAKOBCZYK Michal (Junior) 50 89 ISR SIDNEY Lawrence 50 90 LUX BAUER Jeff 48 91 ROU PACIOIANU Mihai Daniel (Junior) 48 94 ROU ENACHE Mihail Sebastian (Junior) 42 95 IRL DOYLE Brendan 42 96 JAM WATSON Anthony 38 97 TPE CHIANG Chun-Hung (Junior) 38 98 NOR HANSSEN Alex 36 99 BUL BANGIEV Marin 34 100 NOR SCHEIE Hakon (Junior) 34 102 POL POLYVACH VLADYSLAV (Junior) 28 106 GHA FRIMPONG Akwasi 24 107 SWE SAHLIN Ludvig (Junior) 23 108 SLO LORENCIC Denis 22 109 SWE ADLERS Carl (Junior) 20 110 NED ZEEGERS Bram (Junior) 20 119 MEX SOSA Reynaldo Arturo 11 120 NZL DELLA SANTINA Joe 9 121 ESP BELLVER CATALAN Sergi (Junior) 5 122 BRA PADUA Guilherme Augusto da Cunha 3 123 BEL FREELING Colin (Junior) I've just seen an e-mail from one of the skeleton women who is trying to qualify, to a journalist "I have to be ranked in the top 45 once the ranking list has been cleared of countries who have more athletes than than quota places available For example if there are 10 Germans in the rankings list, the maximum they can qualify is 3 so the rest are removed. The process continues so if Great Britain have 5 in the ranking list and they may only have 2 qualification places so 3 are removed and so all other athletes are moved up. This continues until it's cleaned of all the athletes who can't qualify due to a country exceeding its quota places" Edited November 29, 2017 by Dragon missed an important sentence ahjfcshfghb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahjfcshfghb 285 Posted November 29, 2017 #227 Share Posted November 29, 2017 10 hours ago, Dragon said: I've just seen an e-mail from one of the skeleton women who is trying to qualify, to a journalist "I have to be ranked in the top 45 once the ranking list has been cleared of countries who have more athletes than than quota places available For example if there are 10 Germans in the rankings list, the maximum they can qualify is 3 so the rest are removed. The process continues so if Great Britain have 5 in the ranking list and they may only have 2 qualification places so 3 are removed and so all other athletes are moved up. This continues until it's cleaned of all the athletes who can't qualify due to a country exceeding its quota places" Oh ok that means he’s a shoe-in. I just wasn’t sure so I did this worst-case scenario. The bad news is there’s now no hope for the Virgin Islands since Nigeria will get a continental quota in Skeleton also.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahjfcshfghb 285 Posted November 30, 2017 #228 Share Posted November 30, 2017 6 hours ago, ahjfcshfghb said: Oh ok that means he’s a shoe-in. I just wasn’t sure so I did this worst-case scenario. The bad news is there’s now no hope for the Virgin Islands since Nigeria will get a continental quota in Skeleton also.. Just clarifying I have nothing against the Nigerian athlete at all! I wish she could qualify too. I’m just friends with the Virgin Island athlete and am really moved by her story. Her entire community was destroyed by the hurricane... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NearPup 2,156 Posted November 30, 2017 #229 Share Posted November 30, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, ahjfcshfghb said: Just clarifying I have nothing against the Nigerian athlete at all! I wish she could qualify too. I’m just friends with the Virgin Island athlete and am really moved by her story. Her entire community was destroyed by the hurricane... I think it's a shame there aren't tripartite invitations available for cases like this. Alternatively, the America's quota in IBSF events should not include Canada or the US. It's actually really hard to qualify for something like women's skeleton unless you can grab a continental quota. Edited November 30, 2017 by NearPup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahjfcshfghb 285 Posted November 30, 2017 #230 Share Posted November 30, 2017 3 hours ago, Nate River said: I think it's a shame there aren't tripartite invitations available for cases like this. Alternatively, the America's quota in IBSF events should not include Canada or the US. It's actually really hard to qualify for something like women's skeleton unless you can grab a continental quota. Totally agree. In the Summer Games there is a free pass for no level athletes... The athlete from Iraq who barely failed to qualify for 2006 in men's skeleton also comes to mind. With only 20 quotas it's ridiculously difficult. In biathlon, it's worse- any rejected quotas don't even get reallocated. The only sports that actually encourage less able athletes from exotic nations are alpine and cross country skiing. I mean I do think there should be limits in that people can actually ski, but other than a demonstrated ability to do so (maybe successfully completing x number of races) I don't think there should be many more requirements. If you let absolute anyone in, this happens. Apparently some athletes only learned the basics of skiing once arriving in Albertville Gianlu33 and dcro 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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