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Your Summer Olympic Sport Program Review

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mpjmcevoy    0
On 9/3/2016 at 22:38, carivan said:

 

This is nice and all, but basketball would need to start a week before the opening ceremony for it to work.

 

Currently we have two groups of 6 = 15 x 2 = 30 matches, plus quarters, semis, final and bronze = 38 match total

 

Under my system we have 51 matches total (45 x 1, plus w/c, semis and medal matches). - approx 1 extra match per day average. I don't think that's insurmountable - there are sixteen possible playing days, and a maximum games per team of 12

 

In terms of making a venue pay, there's a lot to be said for 13 extra games, yet needing 24 less bodies - Basketball ticket sales are usually strong. Of course, you could use the London 2012 Handball scenario an have two venues, with the larger taking half the 'league and all the knockout matches.

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mpjmcevoy    0
On 8/27/2016 at 04:30, vovanA said:

noone mentions futsal or beach football... i think they can alternate useless u23 men's event. women will keep playing football and men will play futsal and beach football

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Canoe

 

Slalom. VERY much EXTEND programme. If you're gonna build such a specialist venue, get your money's worth.

 

Set, including Additional Slalom events :

 

Men C1, Men C2, Men K1, Women C1, Women K1, Team C 'Relay' Team K Relay

 

This would justify the addition of K1 women, so another 16-20 paddlers. Team Relay would simply be an event using aggregate times in relay succession - a la luge - Canoe Slalom relay for Men C1, Men C2, Women C1, so no extra required, followed by Men K1, women K1, no extra required beyond the already added Women K1

 

Currently, numbers are (Rio) MK1 : 21. MC1 : 19 MC2 : 12(x2)  WK1 : 21 : total 85 paddlers

 

Suggested new numbers : MK1 : 18 : MC1 : 16 MC2 12 (x2) WK1 : 16 WC1 : 16 : total 90 paddlers

 

In doing this, 6 highest ranking nations would need to get both  MK1 and WK1 seats, and 6 get both MC1, MC2 and WC1 seats, to produce a minimum 6 boats for the two team relays - that ranking could probably be done using the World and Continental champs

 

so just 5 extra paddlers gets you 4 extra events, closer to gender equality, mixed relays, and effectively three extra days use out of the venue. If IOC felt generous to give an extra 10 paddlers to get to 100, as two extra boats per race, except MK1 which is already at 18.

 

Sprint

 

Like Rowing, this is difficult. So many events, so few slots. Two genders, four crews, two boats, two distances. That's hard, but this is my stab at it

 

Currently, 14 events, total athletes 255

 

Principles

1: No C4 boats

2: C/K1 and 2 at 200m, C/K1 and K4 at 1000m

3 : Gender equality

4 : as close to neutral on additional athletes as possible

5 : A rough balance between 200 and 1000/500, with slight lean to 200 as the 'tv' friendly event

 

Men                                           

C1 200 - 14

C2 200 - 10

K1 200 - 14

K2 200 - 10

C1 1000 - 14

K1 1000 - 14

K4 1000 - 8

 

Women                                           

C1 200 - 14

C2 200 - 10

K1 200 - 14

K2 200 - 10

C1 500 - 14

K1 1000 - 14

K4 1000 - 8

 

Total athletes : 256

 

Cycling

 

Oy vey!

 

Ok. Goal here is restoration of blue riband events (ind Pursuit, Kilo), while capping numbers broadly across disciplines to what they currently are. In effect, there will be significant squad limits, and nations will have to choose carefully to prioritise events

 

Currently the road race pelotons are 144 for men, 68 for women. That's shavable on the men's side.

 

Male side should reduce largest squads from 5 to 4, and the overall peloton from 144 to 110. women's peloton to increase to 80, for a total saving of 26 cyclists

 

On track cycling, LARGE increase of events does not require a large increase in numbers. Numbers there are currently calculated more or less as team events + add ons, and that would continue - but the addons would no longer be to individual events, but to 'sprint' or 'endurance', based on world rankings.

 

So would add - Men and women's Kilo, Indy Pursuit, Points Race and possibly Scratch race.

Current Track quota is 189 riders total

 

New schematic 8 teams rather than 9 in each team event:

Team Sprint : Men 8 x 3, Women 8 x 2

Team Pursuit : Men 8 x 4, Women 8 x 4

 

total to date 104

 

Then Men 24 'sprint', 30 'endurance', Women 24 'sprint', 30 endurance

 

Max 2 per nation, or 1 for those already qualified teams - who can also act as sub for the teams

 

New total 212 - that's 23 more than currently - but we just saved 26 from Road, so we're actually 3 to the good, and now have a much more representative track programme. Omnium would be restricted to 1 per nation, including nations with teams, and only a top ranked 24, all other events can be two per nation, with heats as required.

 

I'd make minimal if any changes to BMX, though motos should be 6 riders per heat, not 8, and a BMX time trial for riders already qualified should be considered.

 

I'd leave mountain bike unchanged.

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6 hours ago, mpjmcevoy said:

 Page 3 Cont'd

 

Canoe

 

Slalom. VERY much EXTEND programme. If you're gonna build such a specialist venue, get your money's worth.

 

Set, including Additional Slalom events :

 

Men C1, Men C2, Men K1, Women C1, Women K1, Team C 'Relay' Team K Relay

 

This would justify the addition of K1 women, so another 16-20 paddlers. Team Relay would simply be an event using aggregate times in relay succession - a la luge - Canoe Slalom relay for Men C1, Men C2, Women C1, so no extra required, followed by Men K1, women K1, no extra required beyond the already added Women K1

 

Currently, numbers are (Rio) MK1 : 21. MC1 : 19 MC2 : 12(x2)  WK1 : 21 : total 85 paddlers

 

Suggested new numbers : MK1 : 18 : MC1 : 16 MC2 12 (x2) WK1 : 16 WC1 : 16 : total 90 paddlers

 

In doing this, 6 highest ranking nations would need to get both  MK1 and WK1 seats, and 6 get both MC1, MC2 and WC1 seats, to produce a minimum 6 boats for the two team relays - that ranking could probably be done using the World and Continental champs

 

so just 5 extra paddlers gets you 4 extra events, closer to gender equality, mixed relays, and effectively three extra days use out of the venue. If IOC felt generous to give an extra 10 paddlers to get to 100, as two extra boats per race, except MK1 which is already at 18.

 

Sprint

 

Like Rowing, this is difficult. So many events, so few slots. Two genders, four crews, two boats, two distances. That's hard, but this is my stab at it

 

Currently, 14 events, total athletes 255

 

Principles

1: No C4 boats

2: C/K1 and 2 at 200m, C/K1 and K4 at 1000m

3 : Gender equality

4 : as close to neutral on additional athletes as possible

5 : A rough balance between 200 and 1000/500, with slight lean to 200 as the 'tv' friendly event

 

Men                                           

C1 200 - 14

C2 200 - 10

K1 200 - 14

K2 200 - 10

C1 1000 - 14

K1 1000 - 14

K4 1000 - 8

 

Women                                           

C1 200 - 14

C2 200 - 10

K1 200 - 14

K2 200 - 10

C1 500 - 14

K1 1000 - 14

K4 1000 - 8

 

Total athletes : 256

 

Cycling

 

Oy vey!

 

Ok. Goal here is restoration of blue riband events (ind Pursuit, Kilo), while capping numbers broadly across disciplines to what they currently are. In effect, there will be significant squad limits, and nations will have to choose carefully to prioritise events

 

Currently the road race pelotons are 144 for men, 68 for women. That's shavable on the men's side.

 

Male side should reduce largest squads from 5 to 4, and the overall peloton from 144 to 110. women's peloton to increase to 80, for a total saving of 26 cyclists

 

On track cycling, LARGE increase of events does not require a large increase in numbers. Numbers there are currently calculated more or less as team events + add ons, and that would continue - but the addons would no longer be to individual events, but to 'sprint' or 'endurance', based on world rankings.

 

So would add - Men and women's Kilo, Indy Pursuit, Points Race and possibly Scratch race.

Current Track quota is 189 riders total

 

New schematic 8 teams rather than 9 in each team event:

Team Sprint : Men 8 x 3, Women 8 x 2

Team Pursuit : Men 8 x 4, Women 8 x 4

 

total to date 104

 

Then Men 24 'sprint', 30 'endurance', Women 24 'sprint', 30 endurance

 

Max 2 per nation, or 1 for those already qualified teams - who can also act as sub for the teams

 

New total 212 - that's 23 more than currently - but we just saved 26 from Road, so we're actually 3 to the good, and now have a much more representative track programme. Omnium would be restricted to 1 per nation, including nations with teams, and only a top ranked 24, all other events can be two per nation, with heats as required.

 

I'd make minimal if any changes to BMX, though motos should be 6 riders per heat, not 8, and a BMX time trial for riders already qualified should be considered.

 

I'd leave mountain bike unchanged.

 

There no Canoe slalom team relay. such event doesn´t exist..It would be too much time consuming..The classical team events are much better more exciting and TV friendly

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Equestrianism

 

A niche, expensive sport, but a tradition and well like one.

 

The format for both the dressage and the showjumping is interminable. The end of the jumping this year was superb, a six way jump off - but by god it dragged getting to that point - the combining of some, but not all rounds for Team and individual jumping purposes is also confusing, I think, for the uninitiated.

 

I'm tempted, to be honest, to an idea perhaps reminiscent of Artistic Gymnastics

2 days of qualification jumping - I'm easy as to whether to score by aggregate or best ride, or even a combination - three rounds with the best two aggregated - with the best eight teams going forward to the Jumping final, and the best 24-32 individuals, capped perhaps at three per nation, qualifying for the individual.

 

It's tempting to look at the Canoe Slalom practice of acknowledging faults with simple time penalties - but I'm forcibly reminded by those who know the sport better, and they are right, that Jumping is very specifically not a RACE, any more than gymnastics or high jump - the issue is execution of skill, not primarily speed - speed only becoming an issue at the very last with jump offs

 

Anything that can replicate the excitement of the Individual jump-off in 2016, or the team one in 2012 is probably worth keeping, so aside from the qualification 'simplification', I'd be best advised to leave well alone.

 

Dressage, like Synchro swimming and figure skating is beyond me - I can't deal sensibly as a sport with something that really looks more like art - particularly when one of the artists is a beast not comprehending what 'sport' is. I'd like to see some more 'global' quality - the same handful of nations, from the same small north west corner of Europe - a sort of Germanic trinity of GBR, NED and GER, always dominate, with the US sneaking a medal if one of the teams has a 'lame' horse. Both jumping and eventing have more variety than that.

 

I'm pretty sure numbers could be shave in all three events, but I'm minded to leave these alone, for now, unless we end up with problems later.

 

Fencing

 

First major change, a la archery, the replacement of gendered team events with unisex ones. currently Fencing is allowed 4 team events, but has six possibles, so rotates the 'unlucky' sword every cycle - this seems obtuse to me - again, instead of teams of three of each gender, I'd propose a single team of 4, 2 of each gender, in each sword.

Mathemtaically, if we assume 9 teams per event at moment- we have 9 x 4 x 3 = 108 'team' swordsmen and women, despite two groups - say women's epee and men's sabre - missing every cycle. I propose teams of 4, but in 3 events - Mixed epee, mixed foil, mixed sabre - I appreciate that requires format jigging as men v women contests are probably unworkable physically, so instead of 9 mini bouts (all three play all three), we probably with up with 8 minibouts in two halves both men play both men, both women play both women (2x2, x2) - with 9 teams the numbers are the same - 9 x 4 x 3 and every fencer can still win two golds, but now no sword ever misses out, and we have the much loved gender 'equality' - Given that sword events would continue to be men and women separate at non-Olympic level, some qualification ranking jiggery pokerry is probably required.

 

But here comes the clever bit - the old system gave each 'team' 3 swords men in the individual events - 24-27 of the individual field, which was then filled to 64 by up to 40 other nations. under the new system 9 extra places are freed up in the individual event - more than enough in fact to allow for four more mixed teams (4x2=8) while not reducing number of countries with entrants.

 

In effect, the mixed events would actually allow 12 teams, rather than 8 or 9, with no increase in fencers totally, no reduction in countries involved, yet no sword being left out. Plus in the old team events each fencer has three bouts per match, and three matches - 9 bouts in total. Under the new system each fencer has only two bouts per match, but four matches, again a near identical total of 8

 

Football

 

Hopeless, Hopeless, Hopeless. FIFA won't budge, clubs won't budge, but the sport can't be ignored entirely. Here's my sad attempt to square the circle.

 

Women's tournament. Leave as is, but more double headers and fewer venues.

 

Men's. Oh boy, this is gonna sting.....

 

An eight team tournament, on very similar if not identical lines to the Confederations's Cup. Full teams, not U-23. Qualifers - Host, World Cup winner, Reigning chaps of Europe, South America, North America, Africa, Asia, Oceania. In case of duplication, rankings. As quick and clean as possible, perhaps even single knockout.

 

Alongside, either Futsal or Beach soccer, whichever is a better fit, more popular,  a single men's 12 team tournament, 2 groups of 6. - By my reckoning, saving 8 full squads from the outdoor football tournament should free enough spaces to add the 12 team futsal or beach soccer tournament. and Futsal/Beach soccer - like Rugby 7's is a much better fit, and the players of that format would really appreciate the Olympics opportunity. Equality would be preserved in that the women's 11 a side format would be larger than the 8 team male version, a more 'World Cup' like experience...

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