LDOG 2,199 Posted November 17, 2017 #1561 Share Posted November 17, 2017 (edited) hace 4 horas, OlympicsFan said: An interesting video for all the people who fear that most of us will be replaced by robots soon ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUmyygCMMGA I think this channel has a lot of interesting videos, the same is true for the following channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrU9YDoXE88 Yes, also Kurzgesagt is another good similar channel. About automatization... I'm not so hopeful, new Jobs will be created but they will all involve high skilled tasks and not everyone has the money or capacity to earn a doctorate in computer science... Still, the thing I'm really waiting for, in the far (or maybe not so far) future is the end of work altogether... just universal income and end all this stupidity of having to go out every day to make more money for some millonaire just so you can stay alive. Edited November 17, 2017 by LDOG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heywoodu 13,540 Posted November 17, 2017 Author #1562 Share Posted November 17, 2017 5 hours ago, LDOG said: Yes, also Kurzgesagt is another good similar channel. About automatization... I'm not so hopeful, new Jobs will be created but they will all involve high skilled tasks and not everyone has the money or capacity to earn a doctorate in computer science... Still, the thing I'm really waiting for, in the far (or maybe not so far) future is the end of work altogether... just universal income and end all this stupidity of having to go out every day to make more money for some millonaire just so you can stay alive. Who's going to pay for all that? And then how are you going to make more money when you have put in more work (like invested more in years of studying, working 50-60-70 hours a week)? Because it'd be rather unfair if for example I, relativaly lazy, have the same 'universal income' as someone who works their balls off every day (no matter if that's physical labour or pulling all-nighters at the office). If you'd like to help our fellow Totallympics member Bruna Moura get to the 2026 Winter Olympics, after her car crash on the way to the 2022 Olympics, every tiny bit of help would be greatly appreciated! Full story and how to help can be found here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDOG 2,199 Posted November 17, 2017 #1563 Share Posted November 17, 2017 hace 15 minutos, heywoodu said: Who's going to pay for all that? And then how are you going to make more money when you have put in more work (like invested more in years of studying, working 50-60-70 hours a week)? Because it'd be rather unfair if for example I, relativaly lazy, have the same 'universal income' as someone who works their balls off every day (no matter if that's physical labour or pulling all-nighters at the office). Supposedly, this phenomenon will increase the so called "productivity" and overall wealth (I don't actually think this will be that "nice", but i'm just arguing within the logic of capitalism), more wealth, more tax money. As for the latter question... I forgot to add the word "basic" between universal and income. You are still free to go out there and earn your millions if you wish, heywoodu. This is just about, you know, preventing people from dying of hunger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bestmen 2,555 Posted November 17, 2017 #1564 Share Posted November 17, 2017 i told you these stories will never finish Sylvester Stallone was accused of sexually assaulting a teenage girl in the 1980s, police report konig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlympicsFan 782 Posted November 17, 2017 #1565 Share Posted November 17, 2017 (edited) vor 3 Stunden schrieb heywoodu: Who's going to pay for all that? And then how are you going to make more money when you have put in more work (like invested more in years of studying, working 50-60-70 hours a week)? Because it'd be rather unfair if for example I, relativaly lazy, have the same 'universal income' as someone who works their balls off every day (no matter if that's physical labour or pulling all-nighters at the office). Here are some links for you, in case you want to learn more about it (the first three links are in german): http://www.3sat.de/page/?source=/kulturzeit/themen/135178/index.html (i remember that there was also a video of an interview with Andre Gorz, but sadly i can't find it anymore) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BAmI1t-Awo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SM4dFbliffU https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/oct/31/finland-universal-basic-income https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/20/opinion/finland-universal-basic-income.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irf2dhtJZZ0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIL_Y9g7Tg0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rL6gJkdlNU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9ANdC7ZFAI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_iPysBMIUg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4W5RXPXsko https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydKcaIE6O1k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkO2CwLWRvg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzs9IljUZiU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq3nRSq03x4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFERVdpmPDc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6Ttro225EE There has also been an experiment in Kenya: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyTBWUkdGR0 https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/23/magazine/universal-income-global-inequality.html https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/6/14007230/kenya-basic-income-givedirectly-experiment-village Interesting footnote of history: Richard Nixon already wanted to introduce an universal basic income more than 40 years ago ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM7iQU0eaG0 Edit: Sorry for throwing all those links at you, i thought i post them here, in case someone finds that topic interesting, i didn't want to "impose" a discussion on you ... Edited November 17, 2017 by OlympicsFan Attachment is the great fabricator of illusions; reality can be obtained only by someone who is detached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlympicsFan 782 Posted November 17, 2017 #1566 Share Posted November 17, 2017 (edited) vor 4 Stunden schrieb LDOG: Supposedly, this phenomenon will increase the so called "productivity" and overall wealth (I don't actually think this will be that "nice", but i'm just arguing within the logic of capitalism), more wealth, more tax money. As for the latter question... I forgot to add the word "basic" between universal and income. You are still free to go out there and earn your millions if you wish, heywoodu. This is just about, you know, preventing people from dying of hunger. Here are some interesting links dealing with this topic and also AI in general, maybe you will find some of them insightful. It is interesting to see that people like Elon Musk or Mark Zuckerberg are also in favor of an universal basic income, but i don't know if them advocating this idea is a good thing or not ... ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWmRkYsLzB4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ8U3687b28 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=th3nnEpITz0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opdc8hQN0ew https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWistojFP3w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR5N2Jl8k14 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nt3edWLgIg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wu8s0tp9yzY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEkT14RBzDI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSKi8HfcxEk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gfw6vIl8ILk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQGqMVuAk04 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16W7c0mb-rE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnT1xgZgkpk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXQrbxD9_Ng Edited November 17, 2017 by OlympicsFan Attachment is the great fabricator of illusions; reality can be obtained only by someone who is detached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlympicIRL 4,769 Posted November 17, 2017 #1567 Share Posted November 17, 2017 7 hours ago, heywoodu said: Who's going to pay for all that? And then how are you going to make more money when you have put in more work (like invested more in years of studying, working 50-60-70 hours a week)? Because it'd be rather unfair if for example I, relativaly lazy, have the same 'universal income' as someone who works their balls off every day (no matter if that's physical labour or pulling all-nighters at the office). People who work this many hours are just crazy anyway . Unless you own a business or something why the hell would you work that many hours (I'm not talking about third world countries of course). A lot of people gloat about how much hours they work as if it is a badge of honour and I just pity them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcro 10,179 Posted November 17, 2017 #1568 Share Posted November 17, 2017 15 minutes ago, OlympicIRL said: People who work this many hours are just crazy anyway . Unless you own a business or something why the hell would you work that many hours (I'm not talking about third world countries of course). A lot of people gloat about how much hours they work as if it is a badge of honour and I just pity them I've read a book about a man who worked 16-18 hours a day (The Firm). Good book. There is a movie based on that, but not nearly as exciting. #banbestmen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heywoodu 13,540 Posted November 17, 2017 Author #1569 Share Posted November 17, 2017 3 hours ago, OlympicIRL said: People who work this many hours are just crazy anyway . Unless you own a business or something why the hell would you work that many hours (I'm not talking about third world countries of course). A lot of people gloat about how much hours they work as if it is a badge of honour and I just pity them Well yeah I wouldn't want it neither, but I do (in most cases, not always of course) respect it when someone earned a shitload of money by actually studying very hard, then working very hard If you'd like to help our fellow Totallympics member Bruna Moura get to the 2026 Winter Olympics, after her car crash on the way to the 2022 Olympics, every tiny bit of help would be greatly appreciated! Full story and how to help can be found here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
konig 1,298 Posted November 17, 2017 #1570 Share Posted November 17, 2017 (edited) There is a submarine of the argentinian navy which is lost......im really worried for them Edited November 17, 2017 by konig NikolaB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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