Fencing Qualification for Summer Olympic Games 2016

[phelps 6,795]

15 hours ago, mrv86 said:

 

According to this article  it seems FIE ruled Yuan Ping could not compete for New Zealand and it got reallocated to Vietnam  Do Thi Anh 

 

Sad news for Yuan Ping...

but at least we have some fresh news (and this is already something "big", knowing FIE & co.)...

[Maxim Fastovsky 124]

Israel will probably reject the single quota they got in Women's Foil because Delila Hatuel didnt get the Israeli Selection Results (top 16 in european championships)

[phelps 6,795]

sorry for cross-posting, but I just realized that this thread is more appropriate for this one...

 

and so...according to my quick (very quick, therefore with high chance of mistake) calculations, considering the best possible result in the remaining Continental Championships for the teams that yet have to complete them, the Olympic seedings in the Men's Team Foil and in the Women's Team Sabre should be as follows:

 

Men's Team Foil

 

#1 Italy (384 points)

#2 United States (they can't score more than 344 points, provided they're going to win the Pan-Am Champs...and they would get 332 points if they end up in 2nd place in Panama - I just can't think of them not making at least the final)

#3 Russia (330 points)

#4 France (304 points)

#5 China (266 points, they have already ended their pre-Games campaign)

#6 Great Britain (231 points)

#7 Egypt (206 points, same situation as China)

#8 Brazil (they can't score more than 188 points in any case)

 

therefore, the table draw of the Olympic tournament should look like this:

 

Quarterfinals:

#1 Italy vs #8 Brazil

#4 France vs #5 China

#3 Russia vs #6 Great Britain

#2 USA vs #7 Egypt

 

Semifinals:

ITA/BRA vs FRA/CHN

RUS/GBR vs USA/EGY

 

 

in the Women's Team Sabre, meanwhile, the situation is already established and no changes will happen to this ranking (obviously for what concerns the final positions...there will be of course some scoring adjustments)...

 

#1 Russia (424 points)

#2 Ukraine (364 points)

#3 France (308 points)

#4 United States (they can't score more than 274 points and they will go down to 262 if they get only a 2nd place at the Pan-Am Champs...once again, I can't even imagine them finishing lower than that...and in any case even switching position with Poland would mean nothing for both of them)

#5 Poland (248 points)

#6 Italy (236 points)

#7 South Korea (230 points, they have already ended their pre-Games campaign)

#8 Mexico (they can't score more than 189 points in any case)

 

so, also in this case the table draw of the Olympic tournament should look like this:

 

Quarterfinals:

#1 Russia vs #8 Mexico

#4 USA vs #5 Poland

#3 France vs #6 Italy

#2 Ukraine vs #7 South Korea

 

Semifinals:

RUS/MEX vs USA/POL

FRA/ITA vs UKR/KOR

 

post updated after the end of today's finals at the European Championships

Edited June 23, 2016 by phelps

[phelps 6,795]

and here we go again...today it's time to make a quick preview of the Men's Team Epee Olympic tournament, even if at the moment we still have to wait for the last updates on the European and the Pan-Am Champs...

however, let's have a look at how the seedings should be at the end of the previously named events:

 

Men's Team Epee

 

#1 France or  Ukraine (France would end up on top of the ranking only if they win the European title, in which case they would sum up 348 points, meanwhile, in case they lose the final bout to Italy, Ukraine would overtake them, since the East Europeans will have 340 or 344 points at the end of the day and France would drop to 336 poits with a European Silver medal)...

#2 Ukraine or France

#3 Italy (312 or 324 points, depending on their possible Gold or Silver medal later today)

#4 South Korea (they're already done with 262 points)

#5 Hungary (248 or 249 points)

#6 Switzerland (240 or 245 points)

#7 Russia (they can finish their pre-Games campaign with a score from 225 to max 231 points)

#8 Venezuela (they can't score more than 197 points in any case)

 

therefore, the table draw of the Olympic tournament should look like this:

 

Quarterfinals:

#1 France (or Ukraine) vs #8 Venezuela

#4 South Korea vs #5 Hungary

#3 Italy vs #6 Switzerland

#2 Ukraine (or France) vs #7 Russia

 

Semifinals:

FRA (UKR)/VEN vs KOR/HUN

ITA/SUI vs UKR (FRA)/RUS

 

The first thing that should be noticed is that France and Italy tonight have the chance to determine by their own a lot of changes in the final picture...basically they can choose which opponent they are going to fight against in their whole Olympic journey, first in QTRs (actually, only France can change that for themselves) and then in SFs (and here they both have a shot in the possible developments)...

Edited June 24, 2016 by phelps

[heywoodu 13,540]

19 minutes ago, phelps said:

and here we go again...today it's time to make a quick preview of the Men's Team Epee Olympic tournament, even if at the moment we still have to wait for the last updates on the European and the Pan-Am Champs...

however, let's have a look at how the seedings should be at the end of the previously named events:

 

Men's Team Epee

 

#1 France or  Ukraine (France would end up on top of the ranking only if they win the European title, in which case they would sum up 348 points, meanwhile, in case they lose the final bout to Italy, Ukraine would overtake them, since the East Europeans will have 340 or 344 points at the end of the day and France would drop to 336 poits with a European Silver medal)...

#2 Ukraine or France

#3 Italy (312 or 324 points, depending on their possible Gold or Silver medal later today)

#4 South Korea (they're already done with 262 points)

#5 Hungary (248 or 249 points)

#6 Switzerland (240 or 245 points)

#7 Russia (they can finish their pre-Games campaign with a score from 225 to max 231 points)

#8 Venezuela (they can't score more than 197 points in any case)

 

therefore, the table draw of the Olympic tournament should look like this:

 

Quarterfinals:

#1 France (or Ukraine) vs #8 Venezuela

#4 South Korea vs #5 Hungary

#3 Italy vs #6 Switzerland

#2 Ukraine (or France) vs #7 Russia

 

Semifinals:

FRA (UKR)/VEN vs KOR/HUN

ITA/SUI vs UKR (FRA)/RUS

 

The first thing that should be noticed is that France and Italy tonight have the chance to determine by their own a lot of changes in the final picture...basically they can choose which opponent they are going to fight against in their whole Olympic journey, first in QTRs (actually, only France can change that for themselves) and then in SFs (and here they both have a shot in the possible developments)...

How much do you think the final result of the French (#1 or #2) would influence the chances for the Olympic gold medal? As in, is there a big difference between the two sides of the draw?

[phelps 6,795]

16 minutes ago, heywoodu said:

How much do you think the final result of the French (#1 or #2) would influence the chances for the Olympic gold medal? As in, is there a big difference between the two sides of the draw?

 

well, the Gold medal chances won't be influenced that much because France is still the strongest team by far, even if they should drop to the second place of the WR...

what would change a lot are the chances of the other teams to get the other medals, especially Italy and Ukraine, who are at the moment the most credited teams to win the Silver medal in Rio (and having France in the same half of the draw would make that impossible for Italy, for instance)...

in my opinion, with France in the bottom half, that one would be slightly stronger than the top half (because Switzerland, despite their 6th place in the WR, is a very strong team, with very strong individuals like Heinzer and Kauter), but in this particular event all the 7 teams behind France are very, very close to each other, so I think that it's almost impossible to make a prediction here...I wouldn't count out of the medal chances even Venezuela...

by the way, I think that tonight France are going to win Gold without too many troubles...I'd be very surprised if Italy can even get close in the score at the end...

Edited June 24, 2016 by phelps

[phelps 6,795]

Definitive Situation, updated after the end of both the European and the Pan-American Championships

 

Men's Team Epee, Seedings

 

#1 France (348 points)

#2 Ukraine (340 points)

#3 Italy (312 points)

#4 South Korea (262 points)

#5 Hungary (249 points)

#6 Switzerland (240 points)

#7 Russia (231 points)

#8 Venezuela (197 points)

#9 Brazil (in as hosts, 82 points)

 

therefore, the table draw of the Olympic tournament should look like this:

 

Preliminary Round:

#8 Venezuela vs #9 Brazil

 

Quarterfinals:

#1 France vs VEN/BRA

#4 South Korea vs #5 Hungary

#3 Italy vs #6 Switzerland

#2 Ukraine vs #7 Russia

 

Semifinals:

FRA/VEN (BRA) vs KOR/HUN

ITA/SUI vs UKR/RUS

Edited June 26, 2016 by phelps

[phelps 6,795]

and finally we have our first final and definitve Olympic seedings and table draw...

here it is how the Men's Team Foil Olympic tournament looks like:

 

Seedings

 

#1 Italy (384 points)

#2 United States (344 points)

#3 Russia (330 points)

#4 France (304 points)

#5 China (266 points)

#6 Great Britain (231 points)

#7 Egypt (206 points)

#8 Brazil (176 points)

 

Table Draw

 

Quarterfinals:

#1 Italy vs #8 Brazil

#4 France vs #5 China

#3 Russia vs #6 Great Britain

#2 USA vs #7 Egypt

 

Semifinals:

ITA/BRA vs FRA/CHN

RUS/GBR vs USA/EGY

[phelps 6,795]

and after today's event (which caused a lot of changes in the standings, some of them really unexpected) we also have the second definitive seedings and table draw of the Rio 2016 Fencing competition, the Women's Team Epee...

 

Seedings

 

#1 China (348 points)

#2 Romania (340 points)

#3 Russia (324 points)

#4 Estonia (290 points)

#5 South Korea (266 points)

#6 France (235 points)

#7 United States (234 points)

#8 Ukraine (215 points)

#9 Brazil (in as hosts, 86 points)

 

therefore, the table draw of the Olympic tournament should look like this:

 

Preliminary Round:

#8 Ukraine vs #9 Brazil

 

Quarterfinals:

#1 China vs UKR/BRA

#4 Estonia vs #5 South Korea

#3 Russia vs #6 France

#2 Romania vs #7 United States

 

Semifinals:

CHN/UKR (BRA) vs EST/KOR

RUS/FRA vs ROU/USA

Edited June 26, 2016 by phelps

[phelps 6,795]

Finally, also in the Women's Team Sabre the definitive situation of the Olympic tournament is established once and for all...

 

Seedings

 

#1 Russia (424 points)

#2 Ukraine (364 points)

#3 France (308 points)

#4 United States (274 points)

#5 Poland (248 points)

#6 Italy (236 points)

#7 South Korea (230 points)

#8 Mexico (177 points)

 

so, the table draw of the Olympic tournament should look like this:

 

Quarterfinals:

#1 Russia vs #8 Mexico

#4 USA vs #5 Poland

#3 France vs #6 Italy

#2 Ukraine vs #7 South Korea

 

Semifinals:

RUS/MEX vs USA/POL

FRA/ITA vs UKR/KOR