FC Mezhgorye 135 Posted September 14, 2016 #971 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Now the whole world of sports is divided into 2 parts. 1. Those who take dope secretly (such as Russia ), and 2. Who makes the dope through TUE's. And if the first catch, the latter getting the advantage of "legitimate". I can't imagine what hurt the Williams sisters, that they can take as many hard drugs. The participants of the Paralympics should be more healthy people. In addition, recent history with Dr. Brown and Salazar showed that diagnoses can be set just so important in time and correctly issue TUE's than many strong athletes (as Phelps, Williams, Norwegian biathletes and cross-country skiers) are. I believe that if the drug is in the black list WADA, that under no pretext can't be used. If a person is sick and can't compete without these drugs, then it has no place in sport. konig and opruh 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcro 10,179 Posted September 14, 2016 #972 Share Posted September 14, 2016 (edited) 46 minutes ago, FC Mezhgorye said: Now the whole world of sports is divided into 2 parts. 1. Those who take dope secretly (such as Russia ), and 2. Who makes the dope through TUE's. And if the first catch, the latter getting the advantage of "legitimate". I can't imagine what hurt the Williams sisters, that they can take as many hard drugs. The participants of the Paralympics should be more healthy people. In addition, recent history with Dr. Brown and Salazar showed that diagnoses can be set just so important in time and correctly issue TUE's than many strong athletes (as Phelps, Williams, Norwegian biathletes and cross-country skiers) are. I believe that if the drug is in the black list WADA, that under no pretext can't be used. If a person is sick and can't compete without these drugs, then it has no place in sport. Why doesn't whole Russia also "dope through TUE"? Legal and effective, perfect. And the thought of sick people not being allowed to compete is proposterous. That's asking them to compete only if they are willing to compromise their health but not taking medicine. I'm not familiar with Williams' sisters conditions (although Venus does have a known problem apparently), but for example the medicine that Biles is taking has nothing to do with her physical conditioning, it's just an ADHD medicine she's been taking since the tender age. So, medicine for her nerve system. Also remember cases like Justyna Kowalczyk and Oksana Baiul for example. They were on painkillers when they won their Olympic medals because they just couldn't compete without them after getting injured... And talking about getting a lot of painkillers...Dressage rider Anna Kasprzak competed at European Championships last year with a broken sternum and ribs after a horse kicked her in the chest a day before the start. Doctors gave her 21 different painkillers. Edited September 14, 2016 by dcro vinipereira 1 #banbestmen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FC Mezhgorye 135 Posted September 14, 2016 #973 Share Posted September 14, 2016 1 минуту назад, dcro сказал: Why doesn't whole Russia also "dope through TUE"? Legal and effective, perfect. And the thought of sick people not being allowed to compete is proposterous. That's asking them to compete only if they are willing to compromise their health but not taking medicine. I'm not familiar with Williams' sisters conditions (although Venus does have a known problem apparently), but for example the medicine that Biles is taking has nothing to do with her physical conditioning, it's just an ADHD medicine she's been taking since the tender age. So, medicine for her nerve system. Also remember cases like Justyna Kowalczyk and Oksana Baiul for example. They were on painkillers when they won their Olympic medals because they just couldn't compete without them after getting injured... And talking about getting a lot of painkillers...Dressage rider Anna Kasprzak competed at European Championships last year with a broken sternum and ribs after her horse kicked her in the chest day before the start. Doctors gave her 21 different painkillers. We have athletes who use the TUE, but they are few. We have a very poor medical and legal training in athletes, coaches and doctors. They are from the time of the Soviet Union used to the simple methods work. For them, the registration of such securities - it's hard to do. We do not have the normal legal education. Therefore, athletes often fall for doping. They do what they are told. And they are often used to achieve the objectives. About painkillers I agree. But now it has become very popular, "to hurt heavy disease" that only illegal drugs can be cured. Nobody prevents to some American doctors come up with for an athlete's disease and make a recommendation for use of illicit drugs. I really want to have an independent IOC medical commission, consisting of representatives of many countries that have athletes tested for the presence of diseases, and reaffirms the recommendations of the national doctors. opruh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanbg 155 Posted September 14, 2016 #974 Share Posted September 14, 2016 38 minutes ago, dcro said: Why doesn't whole Russia also "dope through TUE"? Legal and effective, perfect. And the thought of sick people not being allowed to compete is proposterous. That's asking them to compete only if they are willing to compromise their health but not taking medicine. I'm not familiar with Williams' sisters conditions (although Venus does have a known problem apparently), but for example the medicine that Biles is taking has nothing to do with her physical conditioning, it's just an ADHD medicine she's been taking since the tender age. So, medicine for her nerve system. Also remember cases like Justyna Kowalczyk and Oksana Baiul for example. They were on painkillers when they won their Olympic medals because they just couldn't compete without them after getting injured... And talking about getting a lot of painkillers...Dressage rider Anna Kasprzak competed at European Championships last year with a broken sternum and ribs after a horse kicked her in the chest a day before the start. Doctors gave her 21 different painkillers. I think when the body of an athlete says 'no' then they should stop, not taking a pile of medicine to carry on. It is a moral rather than a legal issue. What example are these girls giving to youth - when you are sick you should drug yourself to win at all cost. To me this is no different compared to any legally caught cheater. No matter the tons of paperwork behind it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Federer91 2,134 Posted September 14, 2016 #975 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Everything is fair in war and sport. konig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bestmen 2,555 Posted September 14, 2016 #976 Share Posted September 14, 2016 (edited) WADA has been hacked by Russians WADA hacked by Russian cyber espionage group Fancy Bear, agency says http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-14/doping-wada-systems-hacked-by-russian-cyber-espionage-group/7842644 https://www.wada-ama.org/en/media/news/2016-09/wada-confirms-attack-by-russian-cyber-espionage-group Edited September 14, 2016 by bestmen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcro 10,179 Posted September 14, 2016 #977 Share Posted September 14, 2016 12 minutes ago, stefanbg said: I think when the body of an athlete says 'no' then they should stop, not taking a pile of medicine to carry on. It is a moral rather than a legal issue. What example are these girls giving to youth - when you are sick you should drug yourself to win at all cost. To me this is no different compared to any legally caught cheater. No matter the tons of paperwork behind it. I guess it can seem that way. Though we have to remember that sport is pretty much the only thing that professional athletes do, so taking painkillers and pushing to the limits to survive one competition might seem very logical to them, especially if that's Olympic competition. #banbestmen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FC Mezhgorye 135 Posted September 14, 2016 #978 Share Posted September 14, 2016 3 минуты назад, dcro сказал: I guess it can seem that way. Though we have to remember that sport is pretty much the only thing that professional athletes do, so taking painkillers and pushing to the limits to survive one competition might seem very logical to them, especially if that's Olympic competition. Finis sanctificat media. opruh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmitry 92 Posted September 15, 2016 #979 Share Posted September 15, 2016 A lot of new athletes with TUE are here opruh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Federer91 2,134 Posted September 15, 2016 #980 Share Posted September 15, 2016 Not surprised to see some familiar cycling names there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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